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Republican lawmakers in Texas have once again introduced a bill that tries to shove fetal personhood into carpool lane regulations. This time, however, the bill passed the House after an amendment from Democrats to include all mothers, whether their children are in the car or not. The dangerous proposal that could further entrench the idea of personhood into state law now goes to the Senate for consideration.

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[–] [email protected] 137 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

This isn't just a horrifically-misleading headline, it's straight-up false.

The bill originally was written to directly establish personhood of a fetus, but Democrats got an amendment in that keeps the "pregnant mothers get to use the carpool lane" part, without the language that establishes personhood for a fetus. They literally called the Republicans' bluff on "this bill is about supporting mothers", by making that specific. This caused one Republican to retract his vote, because the amendment "guts the pro-life purpose of the bill".

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Don't you know people who use the Internet can't be bothered to read the article!

[–] harrys_balzac 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Some of us are completely illiterate!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

I don't know what you said, but I like the way you said it.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How do cops determine if a woman is pregnant or beer bellied though? They make em pee on a stick they carry with the breathalyzer?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

The pregnancy registry of course.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

It's still a stupid waste of everyone's time.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Thank you for putting my mind at ease after reading the heinously misleading title of the OP.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 month ago (4 children)

IMHO, HOV lanes were originally intended to encourage carpooling and getting cars off the road. Since nobody under 16 could even potentially be (legally) driving on their own, they shouldn't count as occupants at all.

Two+ adults required.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This makes sense, but how about the soccer moms carrying 6 kids. Would rather them make it about seats filled by breathing humans.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

This be clear, what if that soccer mom were carpooling for the team/neighborhood? We’re not just talking about someone with a lot of kids.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They are pay-to-win where I am, can be just you in your 2014 v10 expedition as long as you pay the $5.50 a mile toll.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Correct, even in progressive CA we have that. Granted, it's like $30 bucks during rush hour but I've seen it used by the worst of humanity.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

If the fetus is allowed to own a gun, it should count.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You say that like children just won't go anywhere instead. All your thought here would do would be requiring parents to drive their children in separate cars. So it's essentially the same thing.

Also don't we do enough in this country to make children's lives terrible? Don't we pile enough injustices on them? Do you really need another way to tell them they don't count as people? Another way to tell them they have no rights?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

If riding in normal lanes on the highway instead of getting special access is "having no rights as people" we are a long way apart on what "human rights" really means.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

This is sexist against fathers and therefore unconstitutional.

Bill text:

Sec. 545.429. USE OF HIGH OCCUPANCY VEHICLE LANE BY CERTAIN OPERATORS. (a) Subject to Subsection (b), a female operator of a motor vehicle who is pregnant or is a parent or legal guardian of another person is entitled to use any high occupancy vehicle lane in this state regardless of the number of occupants in the motor vehicle.

Texas Constitution:

ARTICLE 1. BILL OF RIGHTS

Sec. 3a. EQUALITY UNDER THE LAW. Equality under the law shall not be denied or abridged because of sex, race, color, creed, or national origin. This amendment is self-operative.


What this would actually do (once the test case ruled that it would have to apply to fathers too) is destroy HOV lanes entirely by making everybody able to use them, since the state would have the burden of proof to show that the driver has never had children.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

destroy HOV lanes entirely by making everybody able to use them

In Texas, God intended for you to use the most gas possible, and sharing a ride is communism.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Came here to say this too. This just makes HOV pointless.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

In my experience , they're pretty much already useless anyway.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They're not managed at all anyway. This just paves the way towards pulling up the little bumpy things that divide the HOV from the rest of the road.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

Fair game to collect life insurance on miscarriages now right? My wife has one every month or so, and why yes, I am the beneficiary.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Why help them establish that fetus=person?

(Edit: Having seen the other comments including the language of the bill, it makes more sense.)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They didn't. They made mothers able to use HOV lanes without a second occupant, blocking the GOP's attempts to use HOV lanes to normalize fetal personhood.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah, makes more sense now. Thanks

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

HB 2462 passed on Saturday by a vote of 130-2, with all Democrats present voting yes. Notably, Cain voted against it and said in a statement explaining his vote that he did so because Rep. Hinojosa’s amendment “guts the pro-life purpose of the bill.” He wrote, “As originally written, the bill recognized that the unborn child was an additional occupant. The amendment totally disregards this principle.” This should really give the fetal personhood game away: He only cared about defining an “unborn child” as a person.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago
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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ma'am I need you to step out for a field pregnancy test please. STOP RESISTING PEE ON THE STICK

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They don't have to be in the car. So i don't know how you prove it. You take care of Grandma and file her as a dependent, if you're female I believe you qualify to drive around in the HOV lane. Take care of Grandma and file her as a dependent as a male, you don't qualify if I'm reading this bill correctly. Or maybe dependents like that aren't considered part of guardianship? Not sure. It all sounds dumb.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I want my state, a smaller blue state, to start using this same logic. Namely, I think we should, using donor cells and cloning techniques, arrange to have 100 million frozen embryos sitting in freezers in the state capital. Logically, if embryos are people, then those 100 million embryos should count as citizens for the sake of Congressional representation and federal funding.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

This is a very interesting concept. They would have to be born in order to be a (natural born) citizen I think. But, it should still work because the census is required to count residents not citizens

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

How is everyone involved in this not mortally fucking embarrassed over even discussing this stupidity with any seriousness?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Play stupid games. Win stupid prizes.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Play stupid games, forfeit your country’s democracy.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But they won't let fetuses count toward your tax exemptions.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I don't know what's wrong with Texas. It's like NO ONE can't do shiut and they just let any dumb ass pass any laws they come up with on their christian fanatism cause I bet non of it is even endorced by God/Jesus or higher beings. It's like Ted Cruz and Abbot can pass any laws they want regardless of what the constituents wants and really wish. We're against Muslims and jihads stuff about how they treat women and their clothes they need to wear but this same texas republican fanatics are pushing in the exact same direction with all their supposedly religious laws, which are just plain bullshit. Just think about a law Ted Cruz passed not too long ago about restricting dildos to 6 per person, like why do you even need to do that with what purpose and how does that even help texas at all?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

4 seat cars can now advertise as seating 36... 4 octomoms

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I mean pregnant women get priority seats on busses. It would make sense they get priority lanes in traffic too. I dont see a big deal. I'm just glad they have HOV lanes at all.

Meanwhile in Georgia, they got rid of their HOV and bus lanes and made them into toll lanes for rich people.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (8 children)

It's how they always go. Just look at how Miami turned out. Fucking $20 to be in stop and go traffic for ten miles.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What HOV lanes? They've turned every HOV into a managed toll lane.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

That's the real story

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Well this is fucking stupid.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Im a bit shocked they are ok with the "Creature attached to the womb" driving.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Next step: define sperms as fetuses

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Claim the fetus on the taxes

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