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It's definitely happening to 
and it happened to 
and it's also happening, slowly and gradually, to 
. It's like the martyr effect in reverse: the longer they live, the more clownish they appear, even to their own followers. Is there a term for that?
"you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
Is there a shorter term for it that is hopefully not from a Nolan movie? 
All that "die young to remain a hero" talk feels like even more of Nolan's cryptofascist tendencies bubbling up as they often do.
I imagine most people in post primitive society had a phrase similar to what we're talking about, like only the good die young, seems to be an enduring theme throughout the stages of global human oppression that began around the foundation of fixed agrarian societies
fuckin, patriarchy and shit
"Dark Knight feeling, die and be a hero. Or live long enough to see yourself become a villain" - Ye fka. Kanye Omari "Kanye West" West
actually that quote is from Jay-Z's verse 
"only the good die young" is the closest i can think of
my dad used to like saying that about anyone even slightly older than him lol
"Never trust anyone over 30."
[looks at own age] uh oh
It will happen to yoooooou.
There are exceptions 
Fuck
This site is so weird. We’ve got a lot of obviously very young comrades, but also a lot of us old fucks. And some even older comrades, too.
Anyway, my back hurts
Human Enshitification?
I like this one. 
aging is planned obsolescence cmv
milkshake duck
~~Milkshake duck~~ (someone else alr suggested it)
Letdown
Sellout
Disappointment
Wet fart
Pretty good.
I asked shart GPT, it suggested 'false/fallen idol'.
letout
selldown
disafartment
wetpoint
Pariah
jfc apparently it's got casteist origins
apostate, turncoat, heretic?
RENEGADE! 
:kautsky-shocked:
I was hoping for a term for someone not really banished by their followers as much as wearing them out with their own shittiness over time.
Outcast? I guess that'd be from the lens of the people who once followed them. Idk
too
is none of your business!
left him off the list. Would like to see it happen way more to him too
He deserves infamy a lot more than he got it. Chuds hating him for chud reasons deflected a lot of that. 
Yes, [batman quote]
Fall from grace?
ahem
I'm gonna go full 
and point out that Harvey "Two Face" Dent in The Dark Knight said "you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
So I think we should use the term Two Face. 
edit: lol other people brought this up already
