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[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

There is a lot of highly critical discourse around the Last Samurai. Not current, because it's not a current movie, but saying that it's "okay" suggests ~~you~~ they haven't looked for criticism.

Also, weary.

Edit: clarity.

Edit2: I have since been made aware by @[email protected] of a different perspective that makes a lot more sense, see comments below.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Yup, Last Samourai is 22 years old. Back then a lot of social issues have not been widely discussed.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago (4 children)

And even then, there were people who were uncomfortable with a narrative of some heroic white dude coming in to save the exotic natives. Just wasn't a very popular opinion.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Save the natives?

Doesn’t the movie end with them all dying?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

That's presumably the beginnings of an awareness of why that narrative is problematic. And also of the importance of historic accuracy. His role in the narrative was that of a saviour though. (Also, he survives.)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

It was the main reason why I never ended up watching that film.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah but it was the other side of the spectrum. It weren’t right wing racist who were mad but SJWs who didn’t see the movie and don’t understand that the word Samurai in the title is plural not singular.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Oh you're saying that this is about right wingers who think the Last Samurai is okay (while Ass Creed isn't).

... That... makes sense. Huh. I hadn't seen it that way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Lol as good as the production looked even as a white dude I kind of cracked up at Tommy in that role.

The Last Shogun appears to have the same thing going but idk I havn't watched it yet.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

I'm not sure if The Last Shogun is something different, but if you're referring to the Shogun series recently adapted by FX, I can say having watched it that it features a main character who fancies himself a superior white savior, but ultimately leads to realizing how completely out of his depth he is.

But it's like the Memoir of a Geisha problem: since the original work was written by a white dude anyways, how much value does it have as a cultural work?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

I thought so too in the beginning. But the English character in that series is more of a... Useful tool that gets used. He has no agency and he never realises it throughout the entire series.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

I recall quite a bit of people taking issue with it. Goes back further with carradine in kung fu. Plenty didn't but same with assasins creed.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I think it's wary, not weary. Could go either way, I guess.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Meme of Giancarlo Esposito / Gus adjusting his tie with the caption "You won't buy Assassin's Creed Shadows because you're racist, I won't buy it because Ubisoft games are shit. We're not the same"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I hate that I'm on the same side as the racists though.

Thanks a lot Ubisoft.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

It's Far Cry 5 all over again

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Headline makes it sound Ubisoft posted this, but it doesn‘t look like it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

I was misinformed by an Azerbaijani home electronics swap meet board

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The fun thing about The Last Samurai is that the title doesn't refer to Tom Cruise. He does not play a samurai in the film. He plays an American officer.

He hangs with a group of samurai, who are collectively the last of their kind.

That said, plenty of people complained about it in its day.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I might be terribly incorrect.

But i remember that Tom Cruise's character switches sides in the movie after spending time with the Samurai (He was captured by them). He trains under them and becomes a Samurai. In the end, they fight against the (British?) and lose due to a gattling gun. All the Samurai die except for Tom's character. So symbolically, Tom is the Last Samurai.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yes, it's a classic "white savior" trope.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

What did he save? Literally everyone but Meiji-backed forces dies at the end.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

he die didn't save shit though :D

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

It is implied that Tom Cruise dies at the end. I think the confusion comes from a voice over, but you never see the character on screen again.

He also does not "become a samurai". He fights alongside them, but at no point do they call him a samurai.

Edit: looks like that link is wrong. He doesn't die at the end. I guess memory is a fickle beast.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

He also does not "become a samurai"

Correct. That's why I said symbolically.

but you never see the character on screen again

I maybe incorrect but towards the end of the movie, the Emperor asks how Katsumoto died, to which Tom Cruise replies "I'll tell you how he lived". So he was alive?

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I hate that nazis glom onto any bad game and ruin the discussion around it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Hardly ruin, you have to purposefully go find them gloating over Steam charts. But it's too funny that people really have choice enough now in the good graphics segment that Ubisoft is sinking. It's my fault, I cursed them when they left Steam for their 4-UAC-prompts-whenever-you-start PoS. They showed total contempt for their users with Breakpoint, tried an nft grift on the side, evolved all cosmetics to clown shoes level and totally failed to offer anything new. Where's Reflextions? Stuff like Grow Up / Home, metroidvanias on UbiArt Framework? They have great 3D engines and can't keep a team happy or unfired enough to have people that know how to use it and optimize a game and are able to take some risks with game design. It's all either heavily monetized multiplayer dreck or incremental QoL features in ever larger and shallower sandboxes in one of few large franchise flavors. There's not that much to discuss, woo bamboo cutting tech, a new coat of paint and some gimmicks. People claiming it's failing because it's either woke or culture appropriating are ascribing cultural import to a happy meal.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

Ubisoft didn’t post this

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

I learnt the trope of the "white Savior" thanks to last samurai, and that was eons ago.

This is not a case of double standards, it's plain racism and influencer grifting.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

That's some grade A vintage racism right there.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Oh man I just remembered how great that could have been.

Red Dead 2 dealt with racist cults so elegantly.

And Far Cry 5's "Oh we're going there!" And making the most surface-level milquetoast bullshit I have ever seen.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

I remember people complaining about that movie when it came out actually

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Nah I think both of these are examples of pandering. The Last Samurai is even worse because there was no reason at all for Tom Cruise to be there historically. Yasuke at least was a real samurai and I think if you were to ignore the fact that ubisoft is obviously pandering for publicity and cash his story isn't much different than Will Adams' portrayal in Shogan.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (8 children)

Say what you will about the white savior trope, but wasn't there a historical reason for Tom Cruise's character to be there? Japan was accepting foreign influence and modernization at that time, from what I know of history.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Yeah I was wrong. He's based off of Jules Brunet who was a french officer that trained the Tokugawa samurai in the use of modern weaponry of the time. He sided with the resistance against the emperor of Japan until he was evacuated by a french warship later on when the resistance was defeated. He wasnt a samurai by any means but he was a real guy

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

It's also not pitched as being based on a true story. I take less issue with him becoming a samurai than surviving the last real samurai, lol.

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