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I've come to two realizations recently:

One

The sudden tankie willingness to believe that Trump cares about a cease-fire in Gaza, and got tough with the Israelis and then they capitulated which Biden could have done at any time, sheds some interesting light on how the tankies think. They accuse anyone who disagrees with them of shifting their realities around, such that anything Biden does is good, anything the State Department says is always true, even if it contradicts itself or basic common sense or reality. I always thought that this was just a lazy reality-free arguing tactic, but in retrospect, I should have realized that it's a tell about their own thought process. Just like it's a warning sign if someone constantly suspects their partner of cheating, or is constantly on an absurdly hypervigilant lookout for scams and people trying to cheat them out of money, this is a key revelation about the way Hexbear itself looks at reality.

Trump is a capable diplomat, if believing that lets them trash Biden. Trump cares about Palestinians, if believing that lets them trash Biden. The cart is firmly in its place in front, and everything else including the horse can follow along depending on what the cart dictates.

Two

Hexbear's censorship, and wild hostility to anyone who comes to "their" place and tries not to toe the party line, really does do a pretty effective job of distorting the view of reality and consensus that their users are able to experience.

Take a look at these and compare:

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/36382877

https://hexbear.net/post/4354590

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 5 months ago (2 children)

There is absolutely zero "Trump apologia" emanating from Hexbear you fucking idiots.

If you shoot him every single person here will celebrate. There is not a single person that would not celebrate. We would also celebrate if it was a dem too but that's besides the point.

Liberals are fucking idiots.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago

Liberals are fucking idiots.

indeed

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago

But we think he's funny and we didn't celebrate when Nancy did that epic clap back

[–] [email protected] 65 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Folks have to start putting this stuff in quote tags by putting a > in front of the paragraphs! I thought this was a real post by a real Hexbear user until I realized it was a link. yells-at-cloud

[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I’ve interacted before with that mod and I don’t remember how it went down but I ended up adding the tag to their username “Potential Tankie”.

lmao

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago

Modern libs are just McCarthyists who find-replaced "communist" with "tankie"

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago

I’ve interacted before with that mod and ~~I don’t remember how it went down but~~ they owned me so hard I ended up adding the tag to their username “Potential Tankie”.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago

As an admin these people should come here and share their concerns with me. layoff-stare

[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 months ago

Lmao, what a dumpster-fire

[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 months ago

Christ I thought this was another modpost for a second.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Do we not openly weep about January 6th/call him a Cheeto enough

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago

It's that we don't lick the toes of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris every minute of every day.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Trump is a capable diplomat, if believing that lets them trash Biden. Trump cares about Palestinians, if believing that lets them trash Biden. The cart is firmly in its place in front, and everything else including the horse can follow along depending on what the cart dictates.

If they can find a comment where a regular Hexbear user said this garbage without getting it removed and banned I'll stop reading Lenin.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I've asked many Lemmitors for evidence of the shit they spout about Hexbear, never has one responded with actual evidence. The way people make up shit so readily is a constant amazement.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago

it's almost always it-is-known

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

[email protected]

Nah, there are very obviously a whole bunch of Russian trolls in all of these spaces. They legit just parrot Russian narratives about the war and US politics. It’s extremely transparent.

This is why we need "IP indicators" in our display names folks!

This is giving me whiplash.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago

Oh ffs, the stethoscope nonsense reappears again in the comments!

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago

Trump cares about a cease-fire in Gaza

Trump is a capable diplomat

Those aren't even arguments that you find on liberal reddit-logo , let alone hexbear . Such a straw man.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago

Tankies really don't want to believe that biden/Harris were working tirelessly, 18 hr days to get a ceasefire done, just for trump to come in and take the credit akin to my grandmother stealing credit for opening the jam jar that I loosened

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago

With the old chapotraphouse subreddit, the liberals at least waited until it was banned and nobody was around to defend it, and nobody could check the posts for themselves, before they started going so hard on the lies and bullshit campaign.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago

I didn't see anyone saying Trump cares about Palestinians. Everyone has either said its realpolitik either to get it off his plate, or set the stage for a further escalation at some unforeseen date, or a big fuck you to Joe Biden and Bibi because Trump likes to big dog.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Trump cares about a cease-fire in Gaza

the same guy who has multiple times called for a final solution to the gaza problem? yeah nobody has ever believed he cares about palestinian people, he just wants to look like mr deals who struck the big ceasefire deal that biden couldn't

[Trump] got tough with the Israelis and then they capitulated which Biden could have done at any time

the thing is, it's not that biden couldn't do this ceasefire, israel is a beached aircraft carrier that exists at our sole discretion, it's that he never wanted a ceasefire or he could have done this just as easily

[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Gotta love that one person claiming that all left-wing extremists are authoritarians and then immediately shitting on anarchists when corrected by one.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Authoritarian is a meaningless word and I am convinced it was invented by the CIA

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Even worse, it was invented by western academia, much like 'totalitarian', and has never actually had a solid definition that didn't also apply to western countries (and the only real arguments that it doesn't are the west both pardoning and the giving back the property of literal Nazis, many times people who were directly responsible for the Holocaust, effectively meaning that authoritarianism is when liberals actually adhere to the legal systems they pretend to hold as sacrosanct).

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Dishonest (typically liberal) state/regime which distances itself from de facto policies/laws by several degrees via privatized intermediaries that they require to preserve their ideological center: "FREE SOCIETY" replete with rampant racism, secret police, prisons, and pornographic poverty.

Honest (typically AES) state/regime which owns up to their laws/policies and directly enforce them rather than laundering them through obfuscated state organs: "AUTHORITARIAN/TOTALITARIAN PRISON-STATE" replete with constitutional labor, housing, education, and healthcare rights.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

authoritarian is whenever the government does something that might negatively affect my class, pragmatic necessity is when the government does something that might negatively affect the people I employ

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago

'anti authoritarians' just becoming liberals, very common

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago (1 children)

mfw Goat gets accused of being a tankie:

Saying shit no one has ever heard of like “horseshoe theory” and trying to make the regular people who never heard of it out to be stupid or abnormal is exactly what outs you as a Russian bot.

Check this guy’s post history. It’s pretty clear which team he plays for.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The only person less educated than someone talking about horseshoe theory has to be the person who thinks it's some esoteric piece of High Theory lol

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

same with pop history, they think they're very good at history for watching like a few youtube videos

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

Same energy as everyone pointing to the Trolley Problem as if it has a single objective answer that is universally applicable and overrules all other considerations.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago

Trump is human detritus. Everything about him is absolutely repulsive (which is comical because he's also The Most American President I can think of). His foreign policy has space for a Greater Israel, he obviously doesn't care about Palestinians.

And yet Joe Biden facilitated the genocide, and Trump ushered in a ceasefire. That's just a fact. That doesn't mean Trump is a good person. Biden has earned his place in hell and Trump is clearly doing his best to make Earth hell, so make of that what you will.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

They're gonna need to be more specific with the "look at these and compare" bit. Do they not understand that you only see comments from federated instances?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's because we censored lemmy.world by being preemptively defederated from them

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

Pre-emptively ... as a last resort. dont-laugh

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago

Trump is a capable diplomat, if believing that lets them trash Biden. Trump cares about Palestinians, if believing that lets them trash Biden.

If someone claims something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they’re lying.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago

OMG they got their own three letter acronyms to judge a post with NTA, YTA, ESH, NMI, TMI

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

although i do think there should be a discussion about trying too much to criticize democrats it comes off as defending republicans (not because we like republicans, we're usually just trying to expose the democrats for co-opting the left and we want to build an independent left movement). No trump apologia i'd say, but uneven criticism. I see this as most leftists being more annoyed by liberals since liberals are more present in their movements and whatnot, while conservatives are dismissed outright because how the fuck do you talk to those people.

People will defend downright reactionary beliefs, whether on purpose or on accident, just because the person with said beliefs are critiquing liberalism or capitalism. Although the ban against 'luigi lionization' had excesses, it was based on the fact that some users would just defend his transphobia instead of being normal and hating on it while supporting killing CEOs. People will hate things for having pronouns and some users just wont realize that, accidentally hurting their already vulnerable minority comrades. Do some research on the person critiquing capitalists or capitalism, because it might just because they hate 'wokeness'.

Theres also the tendency to over embrace the development of 'multipolar' capitalism as what will save the world, while not establishing that multipolar capitalism is merely just an opportunity for us to exploit as capitalism temporarily weakens and is decentralized toward competing finance capital centers. That can definitely be seen as a 'right' tendency. Some also over embrace market socialism to the point where it literally is just social democracy. I blame allowing socialism to be redefined as simply 'prosperity'. We should be striving for capitalism's destruction, not becoming the next social democrats.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

The thing is, criticising Trump just feels redundant. He's a mask-off fascist, if you don't already know he's bad then criticising him isn't going to change your mind. On the other hand, Democrats continue to pretend they care, so there is some value in pointing out that they don't.

I personally feel leftists should get less involved in arguing about the specific parties or people, because emphasizing the divide reinforces the fallacy that there's any important difference. There are parties working primarily for bourgeois interests under various guises, and everyone else, this is the biggest distinction actually worth arguing about.

I'd very much agree with the latter paragraph. Emphasising that there's a heavy degree of "divide and conquer" to the way we support/criticise entities is probably important.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The thing is, criticising Trump just feels redundant. He's a mask-off fascist, if you don't already know he's bad then criticising him isn't going to change your mind. On the other hand, Democrats continue to pretend they care, so there is some value in pointing out that they don't.

Yeah, again there is definitely unweighted criticism, but not for no good reason. Liberals are more concerned about the fact that he's being so mask off while we have to carry a bunch of weight constantly having to prove to them that this is just the US doing what the US usually does. Its normal in an evil way for america. Leftists have to because liberals will just default to supporting democrats as their 'anti-fascism', we have to point out that such a path is useless. Thus we seem like we spend our time hating on the democrats. Although we should definitely join in more on hating on trump's absolutely fucking deranged nonsense. He is a fascist, we are Communists and anarchists, this guy is our numero uno enemy of all time.

I personally feel leftists should get less involved in arguing about the specific parties or people, because emphasizing the divide reinforces the fallacy that there's any important difference. There are parties working primarily for bourgeois interests under various guises, and everyone else, this is the only important distinction worth arguing.

Definitely, in my opinion. Arguing how trump is technically better than biden is just a fuckin lost argument, since the average person will see this as arguing for trump. Just reinforce that these parties are the same and just sometimes have different approaches to achieving the same goals.

im glad you agree on the last part, i feel its the largest 'right' tendency on hexbear.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Wouldn't remove from the realm of possibility that I've been posting on a fake website as the only person who isn't in Russia or being paid.

Does my not realizing this place is a troll farm make me ineligible to collect a cheque now?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago

If I got paid a Xibuck for every time we've been called shills, I'd have to start reporting it for tax.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago

idgi, the Hexbear thread is shorter because not all the users posting in that thread are federated with us, right? Or am I missing something?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

LemmySlopSkinner, tankies have as much real world power as Havana syndrome. We might come off as “pro-trump” because we like to laugh at the foolish shit he does to weaken US hegemony

Post this when Hexbear is name dropped by a congressperson (this place would be long gone before it ever reached that point) or blows up on twitter or whatever

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Hexbear: how has this buffoon blindly stumbled into a morally better course of action than Biden again?

.world: you are a nazi