this post was submitted on 02 Apr 2024
537 points (97.4% liked)
World News
37315 readers
504 users here now
News from around the world!
Rules:
-
Please only post links to actual news sources, no tabloid sites, etc
-
No NSFW content
-
No hate speech, bigotry, propaganda, etc
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Cuba was completely supported by the Soviet Union with billions in economic aid and hundreds of millions in military aid every year.
"From 1976 to 1980, the Soviets invested US$1.7 billion on the construction and remodeling of Cuban factories and industry. Between 1981 and 1984 Cuba also received approximately US$750 million a year in Soviet military assistance."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba%E2%80%93Soviet_Union_relations#:~:text=From%201976%20to%201980%2C%20the,year%20in%20Soviet%20military%20assistance.
You said the US would freak out if the Soviets gave money to Cuba. But the Soviets did give money.
The long range missiles in the 1960's are a separate issue from military aid. The aid I linked was from the 70's to 80's.
Even now the US still won't give Ukraine long range missiles.
Yeah, because when the US gave long range missiles to Italy and Turkey it led to the Cuban Missile Crisis.
The US freaked out after the USSR gave Cuba money AND installed missiles there. It sure must be the money that freaked the US out, it can't possibly be the missiles pointed directly at he US, that wouldn't make any sense.
/s just in case.
Russia indeed should not.
The Soviets were installing long range nuclear missiles. The US won't even give long range conventional weapons.
Given that Russia violated the Budapest Memorandum, Ukraine is free to acquire/develop nuclear weapons.
But all that is besides the point that you claimed the US would freak out if Soviets gave Cuba money. But Soviets continued giving money until the Soviet Union dissolved. Even under Reagan, there was no freak out.
I already quoted the $750 million in military every year.
About the Cuban missile crisis: I don't beleive the US had the right to respond the way they did considering the nukes in Turkey.
We were however talking about aid to Ukraine.
I thought that you believed the response from the US was caused by the economic aid the Soviet Union send to Cuba. I was mocking that idea.
Let's stick to the topic.
Russia has a 'history'* of invading their neighbours and keeping them under their thumb. This is still continuing to this day with the most obvious example being Ukraine. Eastern Europe knows this and sought NATO protections. Ukraine didn't and look at what situation they're in now.
I want to ask you what your solution would be, and how the west should act in your eyes in order to adequately protect themselves from Russia. And how Ukraine should defend themselves.
*in quotation marks 'cause they're still doing it.
Listen, I know the US has done plenty of shitty things and I am not trying to defend it. What I am saying is that their aid to Ukraine is entirely justified, because it helps Ukraine regain their soveieignty back from the aggressor.
Can you please be a little more presize with NATO antagonizing Russia, what should they have done differently?
And lastly: since you haven't answered this question I am going to ask it again: What should Ukraine do, in your eyes, to protect themselves from Russia?
I asked HOW Ukraine should defend themselves. Since you were opposed to aid being send to Ukraine and Ukraine using conscription. Since that is pretty limiting to what Ukraine can do I figure that's a fair question.
You also seem to be against US involvement by virtue of it being a US involvement, even though this time, the US actually helps a country degend itself from an agressor. What is wrong with that?
If I read this correctly, you are both against NATO taking in countries to the east, but in favor of NATO taking in Russia, how is that supposed to even make sense?
lol
Yeah, because back then the US gave long range missiles to Italy and Turkey. The Cuban Missiles were a response to the US's aggression.