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Russia has a 'history'* of invading their neighbours and keeping them under their thumb. This is still continuing to this day with the most obvious example being Ukraine. Eastern Europe knows this and sought NATO protections. Ukraine didn't and look at what situation they're in now.
I want to ask you what your solution would be, and how the west should act in your eyes in order to adequately protect themselves from Russia. And how Ukraine should defend themselves.
*in quotation marks 'cause they're still doing it.
Listen, I know the US has done plenty of shitty things and I am not trying to defend it. What I am saying is that their aid to Ukraine is entirely justified, because it helps Ukraine regain their soveieignty back from the aggressor.
Can you please be a little more presize with NATO antagonizing Russia, what should they have done differently?
And lastly: since you haven't answered this question I am going to ask it again: What should Ukraine do, in your eyes, to protect themselves from Russia?
I asked HOW Ukraine should defend themselves. Since you were opposed to aid being send to Ukraine and Ukraine using conscription. Since that is pretty limiting to what Ukraine can do I figure that's a fair question.
You also seem to be against US involvement by virtue of it being a US involvement, even though this time, the US actually helps a country degend itself from an agressor. What is wrong with that?
If I read this correctly, you are both against NATO taking in countries to the east, but in favor of NATO taking in Russia, how is that supposed to even make sense?
Considering how well Russia followed the Budapest memorandum, I don't think this is the right course of action.
"Giving Ukraine money; just wastes money, kills tens of thousands more Ukrainians, risks WW3 and/or nuclear weapons being used, and does not change the outcome of Ukraine losing."
Any source or explanation as to why the route of aiding Ukraine leads to a higher risk of a nuclear war or WW3 would be appreciated.
"This is so crazy to me, literally this war would not be happening if the US was not involved, we did not help, we directly pushed them into this fight."
A source or explanation is needed once again.
"Because the reason not to take countries to the east is to aggravate russia, if russia is part of NATO it would be in NATO. I dont know fully about the implications of taking russia into nato, but I am assuming it would allieviate military tensions."
Wasn't there a rule that countries need to resolve their conflicts before entering NATO? Russia had one: the Chechen wars. The first Chechen war started in 1994 [1]. Between German unification and the first Chechen war, a grand total of ZERO countries joined NATO [2]. This means that Russia was already fighting before NATO let in countries of the former eastern bloc. Not a good look for an aspiring member, is it?
[1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War [2]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO
"I asked HOW Ukraine should defend themselves. Since you were opposed to aid being send to Ukraine and Ukraine using conscription. Since that is pretty limiting to what Ukraine can do I figure that's a fair question."
Will you answer this question this time around? Or will you ignore it again?
lol
What are 'people like me' in your mind?
How many t-shirts do you own that say "WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!"?
Sounds like more than 3. Do you make them yourself with a sharpie or buy from infowars?
More ad hominem really. Sounds like you don't really know your fallacies.
How can I learn without a guide like you?
Teach me about whatever you're babbling about here.
Please recommend some books or podcasts. Which neighbor?
I'm super curious about "people that say the Ukraine war was “Unprovoked”, the lockdowns worked, and Trump is orange hitler."
Shouldn't the truth speak for itself? Seems like you lack faith in your own answers if you need to screen people who ask questions.
Except you're already wasting your time with me. So I can only assume your refusal to engage my questions is due to fear and ignorance.
I just asked for book\podcast recommendations. I guess you don't even have that.
Peterson is milquetoast. Everyone's heard his stuff. Where do I get the deep fried truth sauce?
Yeah that's because it's a martial art... I guess you're not familiar with how athletics work but you can't physically hurt yourself with philosophy so you actually can read ahead if you want.
I thought you were all the way down the rabbit hole- Peterson is the best you've got?
I was just reading Leviticus the other day. I hope you're leaving your fields unplanted every 7 years...
So Peterson, then the Bible, then I'll be as informed as you?
What's the most profound thing you learned from Peterson and\or the bible?
Do you know what blasphemy means?
So you're okay with maybe blaspheming? I care because it's funny and I like to laugh.
This gives of iamverysmart vibes.