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We definitely need more affordable EVs with a modern infotainment system, not something designed in the early 2000 by students
We have perfectly good electric trains for decades now and they do have wonderfull infotainment in form of an on board restaurant with beer and WiFi for some time now.
If only those trains were reliable and actually affordable? Personally I prefer taking trains but the prices sometimes are ridiculously high, and then the chances that you end up with a huge delay or you miss your connection can be quite high depending on the country you are living in.
Plus not all trains are electrified, there are quite a lot of diesel trains and I think even if they are electrified the losses on transferring electricity over their lines is pretty big. I am not in favour of using a car, just giving you some perspective.
Trains are almost always cheaper than driving. Most car drivers are just too dumb to calculate the cost of their journey which is more than the fuel they burn
50โฌ train ticket: nope
100'000โฌ car: oh yes please
Wtf
Actually not all cars cost 100K and a trip of 400-500 km is 120-130โฌ per passenger, multiply this by three or four, for families then add to the equation the hassle with luggage, logistics, eventual train delays, etc.
Again I also prefer trains as I really don't enjoy driving but sometimes having a car is easier and more convenient. Plus you can get a perfectly capable car for 10-15K
You can't get an electric car for 15k that will take four people and their luggage 500km. That would be a tesla model S or X or a Vw ID.7 or a Mercedes GLE, which go for more than 100k.
Train companies provide substantial reduction in ticket prices for children or families.
If you want to use a car because you find it more convenient, that's fine. But be honest about the fact that it is nothing but convenience and don't try to find lame excuses.
It is convenient and the whole point of the article is to bring affordable EVs to Europe.
And you know there are other EVs that exist with decent range that cost a lot less, support fast charging and can transport 4 people along with their luggage easily.
Really? Which ones?
Could you please start behaving respectfully and stop mocking me. That doesn't make you look superior, quite the opposite in fact.
400km+ You don't need to buy an EV with a 500+ km range to be able to go from A to Z, you can buy something from this list.
And even if you limit the range to starting from 500km you can still see cars for about 50K: 500km+
I'm not mocking you, not at all.
In your 500km link are three cars. Two of them cannot be bought outaide of China and the third on is a French car that will become available in 2024. Its theoretical range is 520, which means the real range is probably around 400, if you use things like AC, radio, and drive above 90 km/h.
So again, no, you cannot currently buy a cheap electric car with a range of 500km.
Correction, the prices listed there are the one for DE, NL and UK market and those models are currently available in those markets.
Nope, they are not. The Peugeot literally says "from 2024" on the link you posted. The BYD Seal is not available. Screenshot from their German website:
Source: https://bydauto.de/modelle/byd-seal
Sounds like you should ride your bike. Faster than the car and good for your health. Where is the problem?
I've misread it as a list of different journey times. My bad
We need more affordable, effective and reliable public transportation, not more individual cars weighing tons and transporting only a handful of people.
Ideally it'd be that, but here we are. The next best thing is produce more affordable EVs. Otherwise, China would just take over the world while y'all be arguing about all those ideals.
We need to redistribute land in cities towards the state, instead of allocating in in a market economy and on top we need to we need to build mixed used neighborhoods that make public transport and mobility a rather rare occurance in the first place.
I don't know whether more mixed neighborhoods would transportation a rare occurance. Rarer yes, but not rare. There are just too many opportunities to travel, from needing to see a medical specialist to visiting friends and family.
Also, while I agree that housing should not be subject to a for-profit market economy, I am also not sure I want to see the state get ownership and more control over people's living. Local cooperatives seem more appropriate.