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A link to the Al Jazeera article and video: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/19/what-hit-ahli-hospital-in-gaza

A Channel 4 News investigation also confirms that Israel's audio tape of “Hamas operatives discussing the rocket malfunction" is a fake with their experts saying that the tone, syntax, accent and idiom sound absurd and not credible: https://www.channel4.com/news/who-was-behind-the-gaza-hospital-blast-visual-investigation

This would also not be the first time that the Israeli government has lied about "misfired Palestinian rockets": https://mondoweiss.net/2022/08/after-initially-blaming-palestinians-israel-admits-to-airstrike-that-killed-5-children-in-gaza/

The Israeli army has been trying to prevent international journalists and independent bodies from entering Gaza to act as independent investigators: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60EK-3-kGLI

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 2 years ago

This is the first report that mentions there are multiple airstrikes hitting around the hospital at the time it was hit. Finally. I felt like I was going crazy. pepe-silvia

[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

It’s honestly wild anyone even has to waste energy and resources to dispute this. there’s never been a single event of such a devastating explosion from a single missile coming from Hamas but the one apparently they have they just end up using it on their own people?? Bffr

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 years ago

Shocked to hear the obvious bullshit was actually bullshit.

Still, good on AJ for bringing receipts and hopefully ending this farce.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What is "Bffr"? Until now I thought it was like a "pff" like an exasperated exhalation. Here seems like I'm missing something with that translation

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Makes sense thanks

[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I hate how an unwinnable argument over the cause of a single horrific bombing took over mainstream discourse when there's countless objective atrocities by Israel. It's distracting from everything else and genocidal fucks must love that.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I went to /r/worldnews just to see if this report or anything similar was anywhere to be seen. Absolutely not. In fact, I couldn't find a single story that showed any kind of sympathy towards Palestine. Those, I found only when I sorted by controversial.

dead-dove-3

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

don't quote me on this but i'm pretty sure al-jazeera is one of their banned sources

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This video analysis seems pretty definitive.

Not that I believed the propaganda at any point, but yesterday morning I was feeling a bit unsure about having definitive thoughts on this, given my expectations initially about what an area hit by a missile would look like.

So I think today we’ll see the tide turn against the propaganda similar to how it did with the beheaded babies. But with this, Genocide Joe has already doubled and tripled down on his position, so now it’s gonna be what Americans believe (because a lot of them want to believe it). “Chinese spy balloon” all over again.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is how it always goes. Israel does something, blames Hamas, then when it becomes indisputable that it was Israel, they fall back on the "human shields" propaganda, but the story leaves the news cycle before that can be refuted.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

it's just "STOP RESISTING" but against a few million people

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Very accurate, especially since a lot of cop departments in the US get trained by Israeli military

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But Joe Brandon told me he saw proof. And decapatated babies… /s

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago

In the closet decapitating babies, and one of the babies looked at me, etc

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I was arguing with someone on Facebook who relayed that Israel is now floating the "theory" that the hospital was used a munitions stockpile

And this fucking dipshit swallowed it hook line and sinker

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I wish I could regain the innocence of being just another liberal moron. Feeling your long term memory and pattern recognition being born anew each and every time fucking you wake up must be really soothing.

I'm on that new day, new hippocampus grind

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's like reading the cursed tomes and gaining the ability to see the all-consuming ghoul god hovering in the sky. Like "well, I'm not confused anymore but knowing is arguablly worse."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Pain and suffering are always inevitable for a large intelligence and a deep heart. The really great men must, I think, have great sadness on earth.

Dostoyevsky

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

I feel this. I wish I could tune all this shit out and just go about my day. But I feel like I'm watching the entire world crumbling around me and everyone is just along for the ride.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

Israel bombing AJ headquarters in Qatar in 3...2...

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hundreds of Egyptians are attacking the Rafah crossing to demand its opening to bring aid to Gaza and chanting:"pull your tricks, Palestine, with the ball of 100 million pounds".

https://streamable.com/3ktrzo

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

pull your tricks, Palestine, with the ball of 100 million pounds

can anyone help me understand what this means

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Walla website:

The Israeli government approves an emergency regulation to close broadcast stations that it believes “harm the security of the state.”

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Funny how every Western freedom evaporates the moment it becomes even mildly inconvenient for the state

Checks and balances? You can just wave your hands and go “umm EMERGENCY” and they all disappear

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

Is that the one where one of the kibbutz survivor was interviewed?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

German Ministry of the Interior:

If necessary, we will deport all Hamas supporters from the country.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

glasses-off

If necessary, we will deport all Hamas supporters from the country.

glasses-on

I have to appease the racist AfD voters, so we're going to deport a bunch of Turkish people.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (3 children)

CNN leave west bank as people shout "fuck CNN" at them

https://streamable.com/srs29u

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

would be fun to ask them if they are wearing helmets because they know Israel shoots at journalists

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

(were you intending to post this in the news megathread?)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Shit, yes. Messed my tabs up again.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

So uncivil! 😤

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

What a surprise. A genocidal country did genocidal shit. Even Hasan was talki g about how the blast crater was small so maybe it wasn't Israel but I guess he isn't some random loser online and has to be more balanced in what he says

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Dumb question time, for all of the explosions shown in their video footage, not just at the hospital, nome show rockets in the air first. They be going to fast to be seen?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

Not clear what the munitions were, but many types are guided bombs or shells, which don't have any propellant of their own, just fins for aerodynamic control.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

uhh this article is a little light on details

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Very definitive video