chapotraphouse

"Guys, are we sure giving 5% of GDP to military during the ongoing genocide in Gaza and the upcoming far-right wave in Europe is a good idea given the history of Europe's military interventions internationally?"

"FUCK YOU IVAN PUTINOV YOURE NOT DECEIVING ANYONE" banned

I don't think the public will turn to "knew they were nazis all along" regarding Ukraine in the following decade. That would imply saying that the geopolitical position of your adversary was correct, and that's not something the west wants to do tbh. I see it much more likely that the discourse will be "we didn't help enough, that's why they lost, Ruzzia forced them to turn Nazi, and we can prevent this for the next time by increasing military expenditure to 150% of GDP". It's kinda what they do with WW2 Finland: "you see, they did join the Nazis, but that's completely justified because the Soviets attacked them first".

They did forget about the Laogai system as soon as the media stopped fearmongering about it though. "Tibet" is easy to spell, "Ughryr" isn't. Plus, they haven't found a good "face" for the "Free East Turkestan" movement, they need to prop up a Dalai Lama figure for it to really work. The Free Tibet stuff was cooked up by the CIA at the top of their game, these claims about Xinjiang are awful by comparison, they're only tolerated by libs at all because it gives them an excuse to be racist against China, they don't actually care, and the US will probably just move onto something else that is easy for libs to digest.

How long did it take them to understand it was China that freed Tibet?

Thanks for the good words though, comrade

Thanks a bunch, comrade <3

I admire Cowbee for his patience in this topic NGL.

When I say CIA stance I don't mean an officially stated CIA policy, I refer to the manufactured news and "evidence" for a genocide in Xinjiang against the Uyghur which comes from western, primarily USian institutions. I'll detail some of the core aspects:

-Framing an admittedly severe counter-terrorism campaign that included compulsory re-education (mostly through vocational training for the newer economy given the massive economic investments in Xinjiang) as if it were a series of concentration/forced labor camps, without any evidence. Compulsory reeducation may seem extremely harsh by western standards, but in China most teenagers spend Monday to Saturday at boarding schools where they study for 10+h a day, so the perspective is different there (Jabiertzo has a good video talking about this, in Spanish though).

-Likely fabrication of evidence through the usage of "anonymous interviews" such as the ones used for the prominent Amnesty International report on the Uyghur

-Thought-terminating "genocide denial" cliché whenever someone questions why you can open up your phone and see videos of today of Palestinian children being murdered, but the supposed "genocide of millions" in Xinjiang which has been ongoing for 6+ years at this point counts with not a shred of photographic or video evidence. Fuck, you can find explicit photographic evidence of violence during the Tiananmen Square protests if you Google it, and that's a rather censored topic in China which, at the time it happened, took place when people weren't carrying a smartphone with camera in their pockets, but instead had to carry analog cameras and develop the film without the authorities noticing (or smuggle it out). It's simply not credible that something of this magnitude is happening without any photographic evidence in a country of 1.5bn people where literally everyone carries a smartphone with internet connection and VPN usage isn't persecuted.

-Most OG claims can be traced back to either Radio Free Asia (literal CIA propaganda mouthpiece against socialism in Asia) or to Adrian Zenz, a radical christofascist co-founder of the "Victims of Communism Memorial Association". This supposed "expert sinologist" (that's how media credit him) cannot speak Chinese and has admitted never having set foot in China.