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Do you think vote sould be private ? Public ? And why ?

Public. Lots of downvotes is information that could indicate that the commenter is lying, or just saying something unpopular. But either way, it's information. Before youtube started hiding downvotes, it was easy to tell that a video had a misleading title based on downvotes. Now clickbait dominates the platform.

Are you sastified with the current voting system ? And why ?

No. I agree that the slashdot method with more than just upvote/downvote is better. In a perfect world I imagine we could have every emoji be a reaction option, and then you could sort by putting an emoji in a bar at the top. In reality I imagine this would be a challenge from a backend perspective, but maybe like the top 5 or 10 emoji reactions could be an option for selection.

What other interesting software/website that tried something different do you know ?

I'll do the opposite and say - please do not remove downvotes like Twitter/Bluesky/mastodon etc. Downvotes are super important. People need to be able to boo, the only place people aren't allowed to boo are in church or at cult rallies. And that's why those platforms are especially bad for misinformation, hyperbole, and overall depravity.

What way do you imagine to highlight content and improve search, discoverability ?

Remove all as a forced/default option on the main page. Back in the day before reddit had r/all, communities were much more diverse and niche, and this helped separate communities flourish in their own way. When r/all was added, the content started to resemble twitter, if not just becoming screenshots of twitter, on just about every sub. This actually improves discoverability because it would force users to branch out and look at subs instead of just looking at what's on all.

Do you think vote sould be private ? Public ? And why ?

I believe vote should be visible by anyone as the modlog. It allow us to mitigate raid, troll, mod abuse. However, i'm aware it could lead to potential issue as mod abuse, harrassement...

Are you sastified with the current voting system ? And why ?

No. I'm not sastified because vote aim was to highlight content. Currently, It partly achieve that goal. The content is highlighted because it is popular. For me, there is some kind of social and cultural pressure.

So i think we can explore it. Slashdot seems a good example as it separate funny comment to more serious one and troll. I would like to highlight technical comment and good website source.

Having a list of blocked website and the reason would be great. We can also limit downvote to subscriber and certain users. PieFed already do that.

It would be great to add emojis, as in iceshrimp. It allow us to express our feeling :)

What other interesting software/website that tried something different do you know ?

For now, i only know slashdot and tournesol. I shared a link about quadratic vote because i find it more interesting than voting yes-no.

What way do you imagine to highlight content and improve search, discoverability ?

Maybe a debate mode ?

For example, here, under this post, we are sharing the pro and con of the voting system and our thoughts.

• What if we have a nice board that sum up all our argument and analyse our link via a bias system ? As the website alternative to.
• Or we can also underline part of a comment and add link, comment, share our opinion. It would be a threaded quote system.

I hope we will see other example that can inspire us. :)

[email protected] personally, since I create AP enabled software I am on the side of votes being public data. We already have enough issues with votes being out of sync with each other. Mixing in private voting is just asking for trouble.

Emoji reactions are neat, although niche to those softwares that utilise it. They allow for greater expression which is nice. They're useless for deriving value (for ranking purposes) unless you assign value to them.

Do you think vote sould be private ? Public ? And why ?

Making them private is absolute idiotic. People participating in a discussion forum are willing to engage in a public conversation, if you are not willing to respond in public, then don't respond at all. And if you think that the original comment is in bad faith or harmful to the community, report it and move on.

Are you sastified with the current voting system ? And why ?

"Votes" are not real votes. It's just a terrible misnomer for "Liking" and "Disliking". I think we should get rid of votes altogether and use the real vocabulary.

I'd also would like a system where users could define their own scoring algorithm, and I would like to assign different weights depending on the person and the topic/community. I for one think that downvotes (dislikes) should only be counted if you are a member of the community and if you have made a positive contribution to the discussion.

What way do you imagine to highlight content and improve search, discoverability ?

I'd like to be able to follow people just to see what they are liking/commenting on. Also, given that this is a discussion forum, I wonder whether we could build a wiki-like system where people could annotate parts of a comment/post and challenge/elaborate/investigate specific parts of an statement. This could be used either for a "Change My View" style of discussion or even full-on adversarial collaboration projects.

As much as I wish votes could be private, obfuscating them would make troll instances harder to notice. I think I hate it the most that the current model gives the illusion of being private, when it isn't.

I like the downvotes disabled model.

It also means that the “active” sort algorithm doesn’t promote posts that get lots of “downvotes” -> engagement

🖐️ I have a dumb question

Aren’t votes on Lemmy private?

I honestly personally preferred Reddit's sorting algorithm. Lemmy's algorithm is a bit too slow to update for my taste. This is kind of part of Lemmy's design though. My problem with Reddit was never it's sorting algorithm (honestly that was a big part of its strength!), it was just all the ways they enshittified later on.