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Previous Hexbear post on this issue by @ButtBidet@hexbear.net

https://hexbear.net/post/3259169

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 57 points 10 months ago (10 children)

I'm not going to weigh in on pets particularly because I don't know enough, I'm also not vegan. I do however want to remark that you can sense the meat eating guilt and reactionary emotional defensiveness in a lot of this stuff. People feel very attacked and very defensive.

There is an underlying feeling deep down that it is wrong but because they personally enjoy it and get happy hormones when eating the topic triggers a massive emotional response.

Speculation: Eating food is probably one of the only times some people truly genuinely feel happy and is responsible for the massive defensive reaction when anyone suggests food habits should be changed. I suspect that the non-vegans that do not react poorly to the topic have much stronger sources of happiness that aren't food.

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm not going to weigh in on pets particularly because I don't know enough, I'm also not vegan.

I wish more people did this about things

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

In hindsight it sort of sounds like I think you need to be vegan to weigh in on that. Those should be two separate things. I just wanted to mention that I'm not for the sake of the post itself. The pet part is just genuinely because I've looked at literally no research. I avoid forming opinions on shit I know nothing about.

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

Ya I think it's cool people can just go "ya I don't have the knowledge to weigh in on this subject". I unironically wish people did this more.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago

That's been my experience, both online and offline: the most aggressive defensive reactions seem to come from resurfacing guilt and the need to rebury that guilt by any means necessary.

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[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 46 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Antiwork@hexbear.net 40 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] PointAndClique@hexbear.net 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] HelltakerHomosexual@hexbear.net 21 points 10 months ago

both

both

both is good

[–] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 30 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Oh man this ones got some flavour to sink ones teeth into 😅

I take the side of the admin. If someone can’t accept or understand that a cat eats a meat based diet then they deserve to have reality thrown in their face. Better than some poor animals being tortured.

Im tempted to make a world account just to ram my face into this thread in particular. Just no thoughts in this persons head other thanberdly-smug. Information justs slides right off like a tab of butter on a slide during a hot summer afternoon.

[–] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The biggest issue with Reddit and Facebook was that they let stuff like this stick around it and eventually consume it.

It’s a good policy imho, and I’m happy to see it

Science should prevail

agony-wholesome

[–] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Because the priority for them is engagement, regardless of how harmful the content could be to people. Engagement doesn’t mean shit here because nobody’s profiting off of it.

Am I really hearing this shit from a .world user? agony-shivering

[–] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

@Rose 3•

As noted in my post on the “moderation incident”, by adding more subjectivity to the rules, you are opening the door to even more instance moderator misconduct. There is already evidence of how that would go.

Rooki felt it right to intervene in the !vegan cat food thread (and got a pat on the back with the new rules made to justify their actions), then not only took no issue with comments like “Meat is not something diabetics need to worry about.” but also fueled the fire in the same thread by saying “To be honest linking something like meat to death of people is like saying everybody that breathed air died.”

So much for taking action against harmful dietary advice.

[–] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

That post is wild just carnist after carnist whining

Bewildered Carnist"What the fuck is “vegan cat food”? I sometimes can’t understand people."

"Ok. I get it. As people, we are bad. We mass husbandry just for food, modifying them with artificial selection for productivity. So I can understand veganism (although I am not vegan)."

"But have we really reached the point where we stop animals from eating meat? Either I’m a bigoted idiot or people are out of their minds." speech-r qconfusion

Brave Poster"For me, the purpose of the post is exactly what it asks for. I don’t think I’ve ever posted to !vegan except for today, to cross-post the OP, but my own fate as an active lemmy.world user likely rests on the outcome of this request. I run a tiny community that has no relation to animal rights or ethics but I feel it is absolutely threatened when there are moderators like Rooki that act based on their views rather than the rules."

madeline-deadpan

Smug Carnist"That vegan community has a rule against misinformation. The idea that a cat is perfectly healthy on a vegan diet is misinformation. You feel threatened by mods like Rooki who act based on rules rather than your views. You’d rather mistreat animals than admit that anything any vegan has ever said ever might be wrong, and not allow anyone to point out that your wrong." speech-rdebate-me-debate-me
::: spoiler Concern troll Carnist People are out of their minds. It’s a cult. Thankfully, mostly constrained to the west. speech-rtate-fear

[–] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

I believe this study. It’s true that vegans say their vegan cats are healthier than other cats.

no-mouth-must-scream

[–] Inui@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Vegan cats being the thing that tears .world apart is really funny because I've seen it irl and wouldn't be surprised if ya'll already had that struggle session here.

Not trying to start that debate here if not, but among most vegan groups I've been part of, many people had cats for years before adopting a vegan lifestyle in every other way, so it becomes a "don't ask, don't tell" situation. Otherwise, you get into endless arguments about how the cat havers aren't really vegan. But the non-cat havers offer no real individual solutions and just tip toe around the idea that the cat haver should kill them to balance out the moral calculus, or give them to someone else to wash their hands of the issue while not materially affecting anything.

If you ever want to destroy a vegan community, ask if you should feed your cat a vegan diet or more generally about taking care of meat-eating animals at all.

Doubly funny, in an absurd way, is that .world will so fiercely advocate for their kitties, but ignore the deaths of humans that their favorite politicians are causing.

[–] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Hexbear had a nearly site destroying struggle session that took a while to rebuild from after vegancirclejerk was lifeboated. It wouldn't surprise me if that was the powder keg.

[–] hypercracker@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Nah I was there for it, it was 100% omnivores just being giant dickheads who saw themselves as the furthest left/most moral/whatever the fuck people being confronted with the gigantic moral black hole of how they enjoy the fruit of mass torture & murder. Eventually they couldn't handle the heat so had to run crying to the mods. There were also the usual spurious accusations of vegans being anti-indigenous levied by non-indigenous people. Truly a deeply embarrassing episode that omnis here do their best to forget, just like they do their best to forget how if they witnessed the process of their meals being made for more than five minutes they would get lifelong PTSD. It's fine to inflict that damage on the colonized people who work in the meatpacking plants though.

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 19 points 10 months ago

plus it was done by a pro vegan group

It was done by a uni. Fuck off, shit.just.works poster.

Guy (not OP, I mean the one from .world), fucking read the lit review. The unhealthiness of vegan cat food is based on vibes, not published evidence. There's also a lot of back research that vegan cat food is fine, it's not just this one study. Again, READ THE FUCKING STUDUY.

[–] PointAndClique@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago

I know it's not intentional but fuck me if I didn't doubletake at 1418

[–] blame@hexbear.net 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 17 points 10 months ago

Being allergic to cats has saved me from so many arguments, both online and off.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

"Dae le epic bacon" Reddit brainworms and their consequences did not stay contained to Reddit.

[–] a_little_red_rat@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ma, I'm famous

Hope lemmy.wehrmacht follows their leader. Also hope you repost this comment too, fascist losers

[–] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Libs stop making us look cool challenge level: impossiable greensicko-laser

[–] HelltakerHomosexual@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What about it? However you read that rule, LW isn't accessible from Hexbear.

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