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"Playing Russian roulette with your health": my encounter with LA's raw-milk, powdered-meat smoothie | The Guardian

One of Erewhon's featured drinks over the past year is not another raw vegan concoction named after a supermodel: it's a "raw, animal-based" drink created by one of America's most famous male "meatfluencers". For $19, you can drink a smoothie made with powdered beef organs and unpasteurized milk, as part of the influencer Paul Saladino's attempt to introduce Angelenos to his much-touted "carnivore diet".

[...]

Saladino, who once called himself "CarnivoreMD", rose to prominence alongside Jordan Peterson and other meat diet influencers. On his website, Saladino warns his followers against eating plants, saying they are likely to be harmful, and calling vegetables from kale and broccoli to tomatoes and soybeans "bullshit foods" that may do more harm than good. (Saladino did not respond to a request for comment.)

[...]

The smoothie's ingredients include a supplement powder made from uncooked, freeze-dried beef liver, heart, kidney, spleen and pancreas, blended with more typical smoothie ingredients, including blueberries, banana and honey. It's topped with whipped coconut cream blended with powdered cow colostrum, the nutrient-rich milk cows produce after giving birth.

"The name is giving cruelty. Like, should I call Peta?" one aspiring TikTok influencer quipped, dubbing it "the most un-LA smoothie ever". [...] "Dr Paul's Raw Animal Smoothie" has gone minorly viral on TikTok.

[...]

Erewhon (a rearrangement of the word "nowhere") has been a gathering place for devotees of countercultural diet trends since its founding in Boston in the 1960s, where it reportedly survived an early raid by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Today, it is a California grocery store so luxurious it has inspired a Louis Vuitton fragrance and a collaboration with Balenciaga.

The grocery store has long sold raw milk, a controversial product with passionate defenders, particularly in California, where it can be sold legally in retail stores. Wellness entrepreneurs including Gwyneth Paltrow have endorsed it, even as parents whose children have become seriously ill after drinking raw milk campaign against it. Twenty other states prohibit the sale of raw milk within state borders, though a handful of them are now moving to legalize it for commercial sale.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fruit smoothies are already sweet and delicious, why would you voluntarily consume such a crime against god? I thought a lot of this "meat only" nonsense came from some RETVRN fantasy where they believe our ancestors hunted deer all day and ate them raw, but like... this is so far even from that.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

This is so far even from that.

How dare you.

The best RETVRN fantasies must have their celeb culture. It's - like - a rule.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

blended with more typical smoothie ingredients, including blueberries, banana and honey. It's topped with whipped coconut cream

I FUCKING WONDER WHY

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Also, the guy calls fruits and vegetables "bullshit food" and yet they're in there

Which leads me to believe that perhaps they're not as much bullshit as he claims

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

On his website, Saladino warns his followers against eating plants

fry

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It was killing him but he's built a brand off it. He was riddled with gout and on the road to a heart attack.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

No way he actually ate like this. If I was a grifter I'd just lie to my audience and eat like a normal person while the cameras are off.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So many grifters actually huff their own farts

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

I used to be friends with a guy that started posting pictures of half cooked ground beef with raw eggs on top.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

Drinking my literal Bloody Mary, stirring it with a squirrel's tail

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ground zero for the next global pandemic starts HERE.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bill Hicks had the standup line "I ain't no doctor - but I seen one on the teevee." Updated it becomes: "I ain't no doctor - but I see meatfluences on Tiktok and Youtube." I seriously don't want to google phrases like "TiktokMD" or "Doctube" because I assume they actually exist.

"I got stomach cancer. Stage 3. The doctors said my treatment was gonna be surgery and lots of expensive drugs and lots of chemo. I was gonna feel sick all the time. It was gonna hurt. And it was gonna be real expensive too! I didn't want that. So I watched Doctube and TiktokMD instead. The meat and supplements I use use only cost me $2,000 a year. That sounds like a lot but it's a bargain. And I can feel the cancer going away..."

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Once had a guy tell me his mom beat cancer by switching to an organic diet. Didn't really delve into it or ask if it was a cancer that can go into remission on its own.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Sometimes I think I really need to leave my hermitage more often and be out and about in the world. But then I think - maybe it's better if I leave less often. Hell can be other people.

Once had a guy tell me his mom beat cancer

If I was in a similar spot - I think all I would do is fill up my side of the convo with words and phrases like "oh", "mmm", and "I see." As fast as was polite - I'd pretend I had some issue, problem, or even an emergency to deal with and leave. In real life - I don't want to argue about such things. But I absolutely don't want to hear such toxic nonsense.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

Jesus fucking christ dude what the actual fuck.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From another site

Meatfluencers for meatfluenza

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

None of those words are in the bible.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

This just sounds like the raw pet food I give my ferrets mixed for a human palette

It probably is just that stuff

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I generally try anything. I've had haggis which is organ meat, and organ meat is not something I'm typically into.

Not a chance I would taste or even try to smell this. Same reason I don't add some of my cat's kibble into my smoothies "for protein".

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

I don't add some of my cat's kibble into my smoothies "for protein".

Why are you a meowthies hater?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Hell, bone and marrow are wonderful things from a culinary, gastronomic sense. This is just bad on every front.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For $19 I can buy a meal that's actually cooked and won't make me sick but somehow I'm the crazy one.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

parents whose children have become seriously ill after drinking raw milk

Besides farmers, how the fuck your child ends up drinking raw milk accidentally?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hippies love raw milk here. It's illegal to sell commercially so they exploit a loophole meant for milking your homestead cow. Industrial dairies will sell shares of a cow and then give you a certain amount of raw milk per week.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hippies

lukashenko-tired So it wasn't accidental

Industrial dairies will sell shares of a cow

k-pain

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

CW dairy, gastrointestinal diseaseOne of the main things that made me go vegan besides the bullying from comrades on here and my growing fascination with oat milk and other alternatives to an exploitative, speciecist diet was getting a fortunately mild lysteria infection from eating one too many of these runny French raw milk cheeses that are just pure ammonia bombs. Or in that case, a very impure ammonia bomb. This is a reminder that up to one in ten of these cheeses is contaminated with lysteria and i doubt it's any better when the milk doesn't get processed at all. But i guess that the raw meat crowd already has a pronounced addiction to kinetic diarrhea, adding the grossest stomach discomfort imaginable on top of that is probably a plus in their book.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

fed the cows the doodoo

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why Dr. Carnivore Changed His Mind About Meat-Only Diets([https://honehealth.com/edge/health/paul-saladino-quit-carnivore-diet/#:~:text=But%20in%20a%20recent%20interview,and%20joint%20and%20muscle%20pain.])

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

You can't make it five years without this diet annihilating your health, incredible lmao. BJJ gyms around the country in shambles. Next we will learn that seed oils prevent cancer or some shit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Pauly Salads is so traumatized from being made fun of in 5th grade for his last name he still refuses to touch a vegetable even after almost dying over it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can I get boosters? Extra protien? Flaxseed? Prions?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Prions

When ya wanextra. Gimme dat brain food. And ya wannit extra tasty. And glopspittlepassout.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll have 2 venti my biggest enemy smoothies please

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

On a day of triumph - who can resist a couple ventimies?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

this is so fucking gross

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I wish I had no shame so I could pay my rent off of these idiots. I could totally sell them on some silly con.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The omnis aren't okay

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People stop being weird about food challenge: Impossible.

Also... I'm... gonna take an unpopular opinion on the raw milk thing and be okay with it.

But I'm not a fan of the idea of it being sold third party.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ninja edit

I finally realized you might be joking. In any case - I'll leave this here...

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What the FDA has to say.

The Dangers of Raw Milk: Unpasteurized Milk Can Pose a Serious Health Risk | FDA

Raw milk can carry dangerous germs such as Salmonella, E. coli, Listeria, Campylobacter, and others that cause foodborne illness, often called “food poisoning.” These germs can seriously injure the health of anyone who drinks raw milk or eats products made from raw milk.

What the CDC has to say about this new potential "bonus" health worry.

Unpasteurized (Raw) Milk and Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza: Advice for Healthcare Providers | Avian Influenza (Flu)

There is concern that consumption of unpasteurized milk and products made from unpasteurized milk contaminated with HPAI A(H5N1) virus could transmit HPAI A(H5N1) virus to people; however, the risk of human infection is unknown at this time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

im very slow at checking replies

Not actually joking, I'm a bit of a weirdo on this topic. Not in the "food is magic" way, just that for a long time there wasn't industrial agriculture and humans were able to produce food that didn't immediately kill themselves.

I'm not a fan of mass distribution of raw milk through third parties. There's just too much that can go wrong and it always seems like its "just a matter of time" before the pressure to meet demand or cut corners to keep the bills paid winds up causing a bunch of people to get sick.

I, personally, have less of an issue with direct sales between the producer and end customer where everybody can actually see what is going on whenever they want. My preference would be extremely local producer/customer interactions with a pretty low volume of customers/milk produced/minimal equipment used.

But all of the previous statements are just "in general" the bird flu thing its pretty bad.