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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Too bad most progressive left leaning people who this comic is talking about don't own firearms to fight the ruling class.

And if you're reading this thinking of rebuking with "there's a lot of liberal gun owners", the reality is that most of pro gun culture is monopolized by right wing Republicans and not only do they outnumber you by an alarmingly high order of magnitude, they side with the boot lickers and cops who protect the ruling class.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

See, I wonder about this. Perhaps left leaning people are just far less likely to do things that draw attention to their gun ownership. You say gun culture is dominated by the right wing, and I don't disagree with you. Maybe it's just that right wing people make it a cultural thing more.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

If it's a cultural thing then, logically speaking, the conservatives would still end up with more guns.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, corporations with billions and private "security ", backed by governments with billions, police armed like the military, and an army, can be defeated by a bunch of good progressists with guns.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't know if you're being dumb or sarcastic. Likely your are stupid and forgot your history.

Vietnam NVA did fine with farmers who had no education, so did the Taliban using the same. Both defeated a coalition backed major military superpower with infinite money and significantly better equipment than them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Guns aren't the only way to make a revolution, tho

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your assuming we all live in America where guns are legal. Good luck getting one in the UK.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Seems like that makes you extra fucked in the UK

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Yes and no. We don't have school shootings so that's a plus. I guess not having guns is the cost of that, which is pretty fair. Some people are allowed guns, but you need a special license for it.

Edit: also we actually have stronger unions and more strike action even without guns. They don't actually help outside of a revolution. If anything we have less police violence because we don't have guns, so the most of police don't either. As a police officer you have to have special specific training to even handle a taser, nevermind a gun.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

We need them on our side!

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lemmy seems very class conscious to me, I like that

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

It was made by and is maintained by Communists, along Communist principles. Hard not to be at least aware.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This explains why the religious nutbags in the ruling class are attempting to bring The End Times,

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Taking the expression β€˜going out on top’ a little too seriously….

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Even if there's a working class revolution, things are still completely fucked.

The biggest issue isn't who is in charge, it's the fact that humans are fundamentally incapable of cooperating across large groups.

We couldn't even get the population to wear masks during a global pandemic killing so many people that hospitals needed to bring in refrigerator trucks to store the bodies.

But those same salt of the earth workers are going to negotiate climate controls with China?

Yeah, right.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

The biggest issue isn’t who is in charge, it’s the fact that humans are fundamentally incapable of cooperating across large groups.

I'm not so sure that this is an inherent problem with humanity so much as it is a symptom of our current political and economic systems and culture.

Take you pandemic/mask example for instance. Pretty much everyone was on board with masks, social distancing, etc, until a few weeks/months in when it got politicized. Conservative leaders saw they could rile up their base by take a stance against the science. And they took advantage of our cultural preference for individualism where we could instead have a more collectivist culture.

These systems and cultural norms aren't inherent to humans. It's inherent to our shitty half-democracy, capitalism, etc.

But those same salt of the earth workers are going to negotiate climate controls with China?

The oil lobby pays shit loads of money to propagandize the population in the exact same way the tobacco industry did it. Start dealing with that, and the workers won't buy the bullshit propaganda anymore.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Cooperating across large groups is one of our defining characteristics, as a species.

We could get the population to wear masks, in very large part, because certain ultra wealthy interest groups didn't want to close the economy down and make a little bit less money. So, they polluted the avaliable information. Post working class revolution, the idea would be for them to not have the power to do that.

We can't use a problem caused by the system as an argument against changing the system.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pretty sure this is the plot of Horizon: Zero Dawn

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

What a great game!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately most lefties are active online instead of local politics.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Seems to have worked pretty well for libertarians with Bitcoin. Maybe we need a wildcat strike app.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you mean ancaps? I have noticed americans use libertarian to mean ancaps before for some reason even though they are like the opposite ideologies.

Also the only thing bitcoin is associated with is scams so I wouldn't say it has worked out for anyone other than scammers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

No on both counts.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nah, not all life. Just the collapse of civilization as we know it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Civilization as we know it probably has to collapse anyway if we wanna see the changes that would help everyone.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It unfortunately looks more like you're right every day.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

2040 baby! (MIT said so)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That but with C++

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I predict a world where it's too hot for most to work, air-conditioning becoming mandatory everywhere, a slowing of development in terms of properties being built. The search for automation as a response. Cooling suits being widely used. The majority of the world's crops failing. Food stipends being delivered on specialised trucks to each home... Perhaps by a division of the military... People dying on mass in the third world and quietly in their rooms in the first. Rolling black outs become waves of death. Experts dying on the job trying to fix them. Skinny bodies fighting for life, or fighting each other for food. Death squads who think killing is the answer. A daily announcement of what percentage of the country is on fire... But we'll probably mostly be dying of thirst by then. Maybe it won't be so bad.

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[–] humbletightband 1 points 1 year ago

""""might""""""

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