this post was submitted on 12 Dec 2023
131 points (92.3% liked)
Health - Resources and discussion for everything health-related
3411 readers
94 users here now
Health: physical and mental, individual and public.
Discussions, issues, resources, news, everything.
See the pinned post for a long list of other communities dedicated to health or specific diagnoses. The list is continuously updated.
Nothing here shall be taken as medical or any other kind of professional advice.
Commercial advertising is considered spam and not allowed. If you're not sure, contact mods to ask beforehand.
Linked videos without original description context by OP to initiate healthy, constructive discussions will be removed.
Regular rules of lemmy.world apply. Be civil.
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Humans also hunted those animals on foot and killed them with rocks. Things are different now and meat consumption is killing the planet.
the problem is production. consumption has no impact on the planet.
... Consumption drives production, though.
not causally. in fact, industry creates its own demand.
Damn right. market does NOT regulate itself
no. companies and people in governments can choose to do the right thing, yet they do the opposite. why? sweet sweet dollars.
to be honest, after the hunting period they captured the animals, cross bred them, kept them near them and then obviously killed them to eat them, just to eventually invent the internet, among other things.
Never vaccinate, humans weren't vaccinating since the beginning. Don't fix what is not broken
We can't do both, choose one
A) Have a massive global population of 8 billion plus
B) Have meat is a common food
False dichotomy.
There's a number of other alternatives:
reduction in global population has already been mentioned, but there's also technology change (industrialised farming has kept us well ahead of the "we can't feed that many people" curve for a century);
and technology advances in what we eat (lab grown meat etc);
there are also unexploited sources of protein such as insects.
Just because we can figure out clever ways to feed huge numbers doesn't mean the planet's other systems can handle it. It doesn't mean we can thrive.
And uh, insects? no It's not our responsibility to live ever more densely and efficiently to maximize human numbers. It's the psychopathic hoarders and their favorite tool capitalism that is the driver for our population explosion, more people means more to produce for them.
what are pros of +8 billion humans?
Edit: let's also say, >three billions humans
None, at least nothing worth the damage caused and what has to be given up to make it sustainable. It's not our duty to maximize human numbers.
I think we need to shrink down to sustainable numbers, if we don't do it wisely and compassionately via degrowth, it will happen with fascism or nature will take care of it.
oh for a moment I thought there was an upside. completely agree.
meat isn't the issue, it's humans in numbers >3 billions.