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Let me clarify, I think both those statements ARE TRUE, but I feel like there's some caveats. Like, if you're a 100% Herero masculine man who doesn't have much empathy for others, the patriarchy probably kinda rocks. I hate cooking and cleaning personally and would love if a robot could do it all for me, but I can see why a less moral man would be fine with just having a woman do it for them.

Same with racism, sure it's used to divide the working class, but that divide is facilitated in part by giving the more privileged workers more goodies, and some people REALLY love those goodies.

Now sure we can tell people "things would be better under socialism!" But let's be honest here, things would be better under FALGSC, and FALGSC is farther off than many of us would like to admit. Even if we pulled off global socialism tomorrow there's probably at least a 100 years or so of "transitional period" before we get to a socialism that works that good that we'll have replicators and shit. In that period, I think the more privileged sectors of the working class are probably gonna experience some belt tightening, and they may not be happy with that. Sure, your grandkids (or maybe great grandkids) are gonna be doing great but I don't think Bob the Union Truck-driver is gonna be happy about losing his jetski and his wife getting shoes and not making him steaks in the kitchen anymore.

Mind you, I'm not a Maoist Third Worldist, I think there are workers in the imperial core for whom socialism is appealing, but I think we kind of need to be honest with the fact it's not like everyone who technically qualifies as a proletarian is gonna reap the same benefits here.

I know this is kind of unfocused and scatter brained but it's just a shower thought I've been having.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A system can give you everything you want and still fuck you up. It certainly doesn't mean that the privileged classes don't have it better than those who are oppressed, but a life of paranoid treat-hoarding is worse than a life lived in community with your fellow humans

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For me the issue is, I think there are a lot more shallow materialist people out there than we want to think, for whom the more "spiritual" ways capitalism sucks doesn't really matter to them. I'm alienated, so what? I ain't a poet, just get me my treats!

Those people, if they're already doing well, socialism ain't that appealing to them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Well yeah there are always going to be individuals who do well no matter how fucked up a system is, their happiness doesn't make it good. Also just because someone is better off than someone else doesn't mean they aren't still both being screwed, even if the first person doesn't recognize it.