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I think the lesson here is that it's very common for a tradition common to many peoples to cause arguments over who invented it, often with little solid evidence.
It's definitely not common to Polish American Jews, who have a rich traditional cuisine of their own without pretending they have anything to do with the history of the Middle East.
I agree. Now, time to have a go at the Greeks and Turks by saying the other invented the kebab/döner
Or baklava
Sure, but surely that point is better made without being prefaced with nonsense 20 seconds of googling can refute.
Listen, I get your point. But your profile picture says "no post". Yet, post.
Whomst amongst ust.
a bit disproportionate
I don't like this type of academic.
I didn't set out to prove them wrong, I set out to learn more about falafel, which is delicious. I look up basically everything I come across compulsively. There are 7261 lines of wikipedia pages in my search history on this particular computer.
It's the sign of a pseudointellectual colonizer, to call someones firsthand cultural knowledge "nonsense" because muh Wikipedia says so. You are an arrogant fool who knows nothing in this situation, this is why everyone hates organising with crackers.
I didn't call it nonsense because Wikipedia said so, I called it nonsense because this Arabic researcher dove into to the etymology (with sources) and specifically called it 'laughable'.
فول, or ful, is literally arabic for bean.
Ok
Look if you want me to feel bad for thinking we shouldn't be making dubious arguments I don't know what to tell ya.
You're trying to take organic human communication and abstract it into the realm of pure ideas and reason, thinking you can escape nuances such as context and intent. Ignoring half the substance.
I take issue with your attitude, flippant, rude dismissal of cultural knowledge that you have no connection to as a white americuck.
In short, you're using academic prestige and "correctness" as an excuse to be a condescending asshole.
I'm Arab, and you're being way more of an asshole than B. Slate
You're being obnoxious and your reaction is completely disproportionate. They acted in good faith, and the one with the problematic attitude here is you.
In his defense, we have a history.
Ah, should've guessed.
Being arrogantly dismissive isn't "good faith" to me but I accept that my reaction was disproportionate.
I'm not doing any of that. The crux of the OP is correct; it's just that the provided etymology is considered a folk etymology and not one attested in the historical record.
If I'd jumped into the facebook posters DM's and called him all manner of unkind things for using a folk etymology, that would make me a condescending asshole, but good thing I didn't do that. I pointed out that it was a folk etymology so that people here can attach a little context to this tidbit of information that was missing in the original post.
Like honestly, you're saying I shouldn't have said anything on finding that this claim is disputed? At least now people here can use this argument with the added etymology context and not look as though they don't know what they're talking about.
Incidentally, I've apparently looked up Diego Maradona 7 times in the last 3 years.
Edit: I almost just did it again trying to remember why I kept looking him up. I think one of them was when Pele died.
Literally the next section in the article you posted brings up the coptic origin theory as an alternative. Maybe if we lived in alternative universe where Hieroglyphs/Cuneiform remained the predominant writing systems for the Semitic Languages we would know for sure the exact etymology, but they seem equally plausible.
Origin and etymology are distinct, the dish having Coptic origin is possible though unlikely and unsubstantiated. Coptic origin of the word is a claim that can be traced back to a single, somewhat farcical source.
idk go get mad at the Greeks and Aramaeans for replacing logographic writing with phonetic writing.
The phonetic revolution and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
Unironically this every time I see etymology arguments.
I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times, the only good proto-indoeuropean is a dead proto-indoeuropean.
Chekov: Falafel was actually inwented by a babushka in Siberia!