SparrowHawk

It's addiction. It can only exist when we give it something to echo. It is a mirror, enamoured with those that reflect on it.

It fears nonexistence, in a way

unemployed = more free time to organize!

yes, create a legion of angry, unemployed/unemployable people, that will go well for the capitalist system

Tutto a maiali

What i meant by owing our existence to it is that the natural world is everything, literally, it doesn’t matter if we modify it, for we are natural too, and so is our behavior. Maybe owe is the wrong word, it’s not my intention to force some religious-adjacent message to this. Technology is nature elaborated by consciousness, which is natural too, unless you assume an outside influence. That connection is why I think it can ultimately be unhealthy to feel this way, it’s a negativity that one way or the other can be reflected in the end product.

Let me be clear, I don’t think your viewpoint is invalid, nor wrong. I am no one to tell you what to do or think. I am just sharing how I perceive it, and why.

I don’t think we are being defiant of nature, for it is our nature to be defiant. It’s a contradiction, a superposition of intention, that I think is mirrored in many contradictions of the fundamental rules of the Cosmos. Evolution is made from mutation, and memetic mutation is the latest and fastest expression of Life, or rather, Existence. Now I am putting some “religious” undertones. It’s my way to reach spirituality through scientific notions. I am not an academic and I don’t pretend I can get an objective view, just a spiritually healthy one (spirit = mind = soul, to me)

Unwillingness to compromise with the forces of nature is not what led to civilization. Humans went a long way before they could have the means to ignore certain limitations the world imposed on them. And now the earth under those means is crumbling, and the assumption that technology is separate or “better” than nature is falling apart.

I did not wish to assume you acted like those responsible for these failings, but I do want to caution you against that ontological perspective. I think there’s value in it, and risk too, as there is in mine.

I agree in a sense that bodies are prisons. Probabilistic cages that help us manifest from the singularity. All matter composing you and me existed way before it was you and me, but that matter could not think or feel or argue or suffer or smile before they coalesced in their current form.

That is why we are the Cosmos knowing itself. Not because it “wants” to but because we are it and are experiencing it. I am glad you have this disposition towards discussion and your own viewpoints, I appreciate that way of thinking and I try to do the same

I have not read the other replies, but consider that you might be biased by your viewpoint to see them as less coherent than they are, as viewpoints do. We humans struggle to see how much of our thought is lost in translation when it’s passed into word.

All of that said, in the grand scheme of things it's a false dichotomy to distinguish between "natural" and "unnatural", but I appreciate the Mechanicus angle nonetheless, though I do not share it anymore.

p.s. I cannot imagine having an LSD trip in a Starbucks and NOT have a panic attack, the only trip where i haven't felt any anxiety was the first one, with close friends in the middle of a grove in front of a small lake. The other better ones where at home, though, but I do live in a very green place

if you follow MAD theory you could consider Nukes a defensive weapon...

We should circulate a copypasta that's like "nature's fighting back!" what with the orcas and the bees and the submarines so that the billionaires will fear going out even more

Indeed

The Patriarchy is weakened when gender is not absolute.

When the Patriarch is threatened hatred is the response

Is that fucking loss