MountingSuspicion

joined 2 years ago

I understand your frustration, but lower down in this thread you can see someone thinks that voting for Kamala makes you guilty of genocide AND not voting makes you worse than a trump voter. THAT is the issue. Not my question. The left is telling itself there is no good choice. I'm just asking if this person is someone that thinks that or not.

Maybe you don't know anyone who abstained, but I do, they are organizers and very involved. If they run into rhetoric saying "voting for Kamala makes you complicit" AND "not voting makes you complicit" they figure they're complicit either way so might as well not cast a vote for complicity. I'm not saying it's sensible, and I voted Harris, but we need to be able to separate voters from the worst parts of the politicians they voted for and give people some grace. I don't know the people in the article, but if Harris was elected and leftists that voted for her said "this isn't what we voted for" if she continued to support genocide, would these people still be in the comments saying "THIS IS WHAT YOU VOTED FOR!!" I just think it's important to understand that voters can disagree with individual policies and the left was told Kamala was "secretly wanting to be pro Palestine" so if people just got on board things would get better. If they voted for her and that didn't come true would people call the leftists idiotic for believing she would act differently? I just think we need to understand people as individuals and comments like the one above me can lead to good conversations about how we hold individual voters on both sides accountable while building a strong base.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

I guess the question at that point is, if you think Harris voters would be responsible for genocide, and nonvoters are responsible potentially even more than Trump voters, than there is no winning option. If you want to say democracy has become a lose/lose, fine, but I think it's important we're conscious of the fact we're saying that. I don't think everyone is responsible for the worst actions the people they voted for take in their capacity as public officials. I think it's worthwhile to note that and give people grace in that regard. Because otherwise we end up deciding between voting for genocide, or not voting and still carrying blame for genocide, and people make the decision to just not directly vote for it.

I'm not saying Harris lost because of Gaza, but given the choice of being considered responsible for genocide because I voted for it or because I didn't vote for it, I'd rather not vote for it. I want to note that I voted Harris, but I know people who abstained and it's hard to reach them if we (the left) continue to claim that they'd be responsible for genocide either way.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 1 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

How you feel about people who abstained?

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com -5 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

I voted dem and am anti Trump, but can I ask if you feel the same way about Dems? If I voted for Harris and she continued to provide aid to Israel to bomb Gaza, did I technically vote for that?

This comes of as very "just asking questions", and I'm aware of that, but I hope you will take it as a good faith question because it is.

Populism from the left gets just as much traction from the working class as populism from the right. Centrists doing poorly has nothing to do with leftists. People liked that Trump was extreme and anti establishment and were very clear about that. He beat a Bush in the primaries. It was Jeb, but still. People liked that he was "telling it like it is", which a centrist never will. Additionally, leftists politicians consistently come across as more genuine, even to republicans, which goes a long way. When Harris says she cares, I have no doubt that what she cares about is her career because it's so transparent. Leftists stand for something and that encourages trust and interest and support. If they had centrist dem backing the way magats had centrist republican backing, this country would have gay space communism already.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 10 points 2 weeks ago

I see people mentioning that Trump has staff to inform him of this etc etc, but I think it's also pretty common knowledge that you don't comment on someone's grasp of a language unless you're teaching them or it's necessary. As a country of immigrants, Americans deal with a lot of immigrants, and that thought goes either way. You don't mention a heavy accent or a lack of accent. I grew up around a lot of ESOL, and even if their English was impeccable, it's quite othering and often condescending to have someone mention it. Some people don't mind it, but always better to err on the side of caution. I understand this is not someone from the US, but they're a foreign dignitary and there's no need to say something that would even be perceived as condescending.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You're stating he believes his policies were closer to Bidens than Bernie's. That alone should show why people don't like him and believe he's a centrist. I don't really care or think about the dropping out thing. What hurt Bernie is everything and I'm not going to point fingers at him personally, but his "Medicare for all who want it" is exactly the kind of garbage middling take that makes everyone feel as though he stands for nothing and has no actual morals. Leftists are being forced to vote for these people, but he does not represent me or my values and I don't believe he represents himself. Just whatever he thinks is going to get the backing of the party. Wish people would stop pushing this nonsense online acting like he actually cares about the people and will do anything beyond the bare minimum. He's certainly not aligned with any leftist agenda.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I suggest reverse image searching whatever you like on Etsy. A lot of it is just dropship stuff where you can buy the original and cut out the dropshipper for pennies on the dollar. Depending on what you're looking for you may have to buy a minimum, but 9/10 the minimum is still less than the Etsy price. I buy a lot of craft supplies and 50/50 an Etsy listing the says "handmade" "artisanal" "bespoke" is never even touched by the seller. Additionally, if the person is not just a dropshipper, you might find their actual website where you can get things for less or at least make sure they get the full amount without giving Etsy a cut.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you think we should offload to AI even if it's worse, I have serious questions about your day to day life. What industry do you think could stand to be worse? Doctor's offices? Lawyers? Mechanics? Accounts?

The end user (aka the PEOPLE NEEDING A SERVICE) are the ones getting screwed over when companies offload to AI. You tell AI to schedule an appointment tomorrow, and 80% of the time it does and 20% it just never does or puts it on for next week. That hurts both the office trying to maximize the people seen/helped and the person that needs the help. Working less hours due to tech advancement is awesome, but in reality offloading to AI in the current work climate is not going to result in working less hours. Additionally, how costly is each task the AI is doing? Are the machines running off of renewables, or is using this going to contribute to worse air quality and worse climate outcomes for people you're trying to save from working more. People shouldn't have to work their lives away, but we have other problems that need to be solved before prematurely switching to AI.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I wonder how much of that difference can be attributed to gun violence. I'm not anti gun, but few countries have gun laws as lax as the US so there's a larger number committed by guns which may be more difficult to solve. The sale of guns themselves are not always tracked, and gun violence is something that can be done from afar and not leave as much evidence. We're also quite a large country with very populous cities. Berlin has 3.7 million people and is the most populous EU city. NYC has over twice that. Much easier to solve crime in a town of a few hundred people than in large cities, which the US has more of.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Jesus was Jewish the first time around. Maybe he's willing to associate with anyone but Christians at this point.

I understand that, but that imagines he's standing by his decision for the sake of it. I'm not trying to go to bat for a Trump supporter right now, but in general my point is that his "reasoning" seems to hold even if he's in the crosshairs. If his opinion is that sacrificing some freedom is necessary in order to ensure safety, then he seems like he still believes that even if it affects him personally. I understand your comment, but it doesn't actually address his position or my point. I don't think anything has happened to make him think he's wrong about the sleeper cell things. You're projecting your worldview onto him. He says he believes there's a problem and he's willing to face familial hardship to ensure the problem is rooted out.

view more: ‹ prev next ›