Landrin201

I agree that this seems to be the intent behind Lemmy. But, I also think that, right now, there is such a big influx of people that need accounts that we need to route them into as many instances as possible to keep server stress down. And that means that a lot of communities will be generalized by the new users.

I agree with other comment that this will likely happen organically over time. After things stabilize I think we'll see communities begin to merge with identical or similar communities on other instances. And at that point server admins can start to take a bit more of a firm hand with their instances to try and do exactly what you're describing, if that's what they really wanted.

The hardest part with this conversation is that there isn't really a satisfying short answer, but I can try to give one.

The biological differences between men and women that most people think of as giving men an advantage over women in sports are counteracted by hormone replacement therapy, and do not give trans women athletes an advantage over cis women athletes. Some of the arguments, such as bone density being higher in men, are literally taken word-for-word out of segregationist rhetoric- and ignores the fact that black women have higher bone density than most men. There is not a clear scientific reason to exclude trans women who are undergoing HRT from sports.

That's it, that's the answer. But I feel like that's just asking you to take my word for it- all of that and more is backed up by science in the report I linked.

Same, I love Proton. They rock.

I understand it when people call specifically soldiers that, kind of like calling cops pigs, but when people start calling ALL russian people- regardless of their stance on the war- orcs I think it becomes a racialized term. Most of the major subreddits (like r/news, etc) have a similar view and take down comments using the term.

Fuck the invasion, it shouldn't be happening and I hope that Ukraine comes out on top in the end, but that doesn't excuse using racial slurs.

First for the vocabulary:

non-trans = cisgender. cis meaning "same," as in "same gender as assigned at birth."

Second, I'm not the best at doing that, but I know of a really good report which has good citations of studies and really thoroughly discusses the issue. PDF WARNING: It can be found here.

The potential for accounts to vanish if the instance they started on is, to me, the single biggest hurdle that Lemmy will face with casual users. I think that the devs need to really consider figuring out a way to make user logins global.

I said this the other day, but I think it may, unironically, be one of the first times I've ever seen a genuine use for a blockchain, but I have no idea how to implement it.

The reason that the big social media companies came to exist is precisely because people didn't like having to have a dozen accounts for all their different communities. Lemmy fixes that problem through federation, which is great, but introduces a new problem of "your account could just disappear, making all your contributions vanish." I know that was technically a problem before big social media companies appeared and everyone was using forums, but it's a big plus of the current social media giants- you don't have to worry too much about the company failing so completely that the website gets shut down, which is the only way you'd lose your account, any time soon. People are used to that stability, and will not be happy if they join an instance in the fediverse only to have the rug yanked out from under them.

If we want this to be a true alternative to big social media, it needs that stability.

Not everybody who has questions is “just asking questions”, if you catch my drift.

I agree with that statement, context is everything.

I think that in the context of someone starting out going "it's unfair for men to compete in women's sports," the person is "just asking questions." That context poisons the well for questions.

But if someone comes in and makes a thread like "I don't understand how hormone therapy works, can someone please explain it?" that, to me, is a good faith question and 100% should not be bannable.

Ok, that's literally completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. You just flat out stated in this comment that you think that all trans women are actually just men. You're flat out wrong about that.

We have more than enough science that demostrates conclusively that a person on hormone therapy is athletically more similar to the sex they are transitioning to than the sex they were born in. You're just ignoring all of that and pretending that it doesn't exist. YOU might not like that it exists because it makes it clear that you're just being a bigot, but it does exist, and it demonstrates exactly that.

the presence of transgender athletes in competitions

I disagree, that isn't a "polite disagreement" and is, absolutely, "just transphobes attacking people trying to live their own life" as you put it. Every time that "Argument" happens it's openly done in biologically unfounded ways by people who simply don't understand how our bodies actually work- yet those arguments get mass upvoted by people who also don't understand how biology actually works and who believe that trans athletes get some insane, unfair advantage.

If you want to pass laws to restrict trans people from sports, then you want to pass laws to discriminate against trans people. That's not really up for debate IMO, it's a straight up fact; it's what you're doing when you advocate for laws that are not founded in science, that are specifically targeting a tiny minority for the chance that one of that tiny minority might beat cis athletes in an "unfair" way, you're advocating for bigoted laws.

Such arguments are also inevietably filled with people misgendering trans people, deliberately calling trans women "men" and hiding behind the "I'm talking about biology" argument to do so.

Replace the word "trans" with "black" and you'll find that people are making literally identical arguments to those against desegregating professional sports leagues 80 years ago. Literally word for word.

It's been ignored so hard that all the people ignoring are crashing lemmy.ml

Maybe, but that will galvanize the members of those community even more.

Either way, be prepared for lots of new Lemmites (like me!)

I've seen a bunch of people saying similar things as the OP in multiple communities; this is the first time I've seen a good answer on what's happening. Hopefully this gets some focus, it's definitely confusing some people.