Kieselguhr

"Anyway, the only thing we can do when we see an apartheid state is to wait until the oppressed people have the perfect grassroots leftist movement not contaminated by either rich people or conservatives, a movement that isn't targeted for assassinations by the CIA and MOSSAD; and then when they rise, we should cheer for them from the sidelines as they try to seize power from a nuclear-powered, genocidal apartheid state supported by some of the richest countries in the world. This represents the principled leftist position."

Boiling down to fundamentals I've encountered two types of arguments in the past few weeks:

Hamas is beheading babies, so retaliation makes sense, Israel has a right to defend itself, Jewish people are entitled to their homeland

deranged, out of touch with reality, historically ignorant

Well Hamas is a conservative islamic organization led by dudes living in Qatar, so they would just create their own apartheid ethnostate lead by rich palestinians

this is just bizarre radlib bothsidesing using a hypothetical outcome to Hamas winning and them not being perfect secular social democrats

And this made me realize that the biggest propaganda achievement by Israel and the US has been convincing people that this is between Israel and Hamas, and not an anti-apartheid insurrection that happens to be led by Hamas among others.

But they'll gleefully spout bullshit propaganda about 40 beheaded babies without the slightest bit of checking the veracity

Can someone help me understand something?

Building vocational schools to juvenile offenders so they can integrate to larger society by getting educated - this is genocide

Moving orphans out of a warzone to orphanages where they can speak their own mother tongue, and where the orphans will get elementary education - this is clearly genocide

Building a giant open air prison for an ethnic group, depriving them of water, food, and medicine, then bombing them inordinately, murdering children - this is not genocide, it's just a rational political response to an unusual situation

Azov batallion dude with the callsign Adolf from the SS brigade - not a Nazi

A literal Waffen-SS volunteer from WW2 - not a Nazi

Greta Thunberg - she is a Nazi because she has a stuffed octopus fluffy toy

Wolfsangel, Black Sun, Totenkopf - not a symbol of antisemitism

Pink octopus toy - a clear symbol for antisemitism

Did I get this right? This is what liberals think?

The dude is obviously suffering from dementia. but there's clearly a few people who make decisions in the White House... Who is it? Blinken? Surely not Kamala?

oh for fucks sake, now the western MSM claims that they were wrong to blame Israel for the Hospital bombing:

The World Paid a Stiff Price for Bad Reporting on Gaza Hospital Explosion

Within minutes of the explosion at a hospital in Gaza, the court of public opinion had fully adopted the story that the tragedy was Israel's fault.

• First of all, from hour zero the whole MSM (excluding UK Channel 4 and Al Jazeeera) scrambled together to find evidence against Israeli culpability and to blame Hamas, even though Occam's razor/Bayesian priors whatever makes Israel the most likely culprit, considering they've been bombing Gaza and they never stopped

• The supposed refutation fell apart in days, but it was perceived to be obvious bullshit by people not biased towards the IOF. Hell, they even made a fake phone call with bad accents.

• Now US intelligence claims it wasn't Israel, so it wasn't Israel. Yeah, the CIA is famously trustworthy.

• "When Ukrainians misfire it's Russia's fault"

• All this is secodary in some sense - Gaza's Health Ministry says at least 5,791 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli bombardments, including 2,360 children.

Terrorist assassinated IDF commander

I know we are aware of the mainstream media's bullshit but it's very much a They Live sunglasses moment that they consistently call Palestinian fighters "terrorists" and "Islamists". For fucks sake, killing an Israeli commander is "simply" an act of war in their war of independence, not religious terrorism. And so on.

They are trying really hard to spin this as a "terrorist insurgency based on radical Islam extremism" instead of an anti-colonial revolution.

And I didn't even really tried to debate them, I just wanted them to admit they haven't read anything. Because why are they lying when we both know they have not?!

One incredible attempt at whitewashing Hunka was someone saying that Hunka maybe didn't have enough information that the nazis were bad.

I was flabbergasted. Hunka joined in 19-fuckin-43. Nazis raped and burned villages, shot people in mass graves left and right, literally killed millions of civilians in those years - how could you possibly say that someone from the Eastern front was unaware that nazis were "not good"? what the fuckin fuck

Reminds me of a debate I had.

Poster said "Marxists lack nuance".

I asked which one of these works lacked nuance in his opinion: The German Ideology? The Grundrisse? Anti-Dühring? Or maybe slightly more recent stuff like Gramsci's Prison Notebooks?

The reply: "Marxists don't understand human nature: it's about the stronger monkey having things."

The irony didn't even hit him. He was dead seriously try to sell me this "human natooor is strong dogs fuck" as a social theory.

That's exactly where I got the "700 political prisoners executed by communists" number. So you can be sure that 700 is inflated*. And even that 700 is 1/1000 of the Holocaust without counting the White Terror and war crimes committed by the Hungarian army.

*well it depends what one means by inflated. If you count the Hungarian nazi war criminals as victims of communism then 700 is probably right.