JustSo

Yeah I was big into cold water extracting codeine cuz I have the genetic mutation that increases the conversion efficiency when it metabolises into morphine. Kind of miss those days actually, I was very responsible before prohibition took away my legal avenues for relief after that I guess I just gave up on more than the most basic harm reduction.

But word, thanks for indulging my questions. It supports some of my suspicions around the important factors in large dose (infusion) dissociative therapy and the potential for self medicated (or community mediated) alternative to the expensive clinics.

Play the system, lie, do your research, take your time, meditate on this. If nothing else you can resell your ket if you change your mind and make a lil scratch for yourself.

Edit: this is ^(il)^legal advice

ye that sounds like a healthy trajectory. Good work.

yeah I can't comment on whether "real" PCP is especially different to 3-HO-PCP, but I found 3-HO to be downright gentle, rather than harsh. I mean reassembling after the ego death was definitely something not everyone would enjoy but yeah. It's a really misunderstood drug.

I hope you're doing well these days. Anyone else suddenly fiending for K? Shit.

I feel you. Relatable on several levels.

Managed to get my weed use WAY down recently. Mostly cuz I'm broke and the pet needs fed before I get lit.

The angle of my question was to get at whether you were in a receptive state for change or not. You know the classic "set and setting" rules of psychedelics. But I'm going to read between the lines here (and go out on a long limb) and assume your big K days did not coincide with a lot of concentrated internal work identifying your issues and whatever disordered thinking you had that made regular drug use a preferable state to be in compared to sobriety. Is that a fair reading of the situation as you recall it?

I apologise if I'm misinterpreting or projecting.

Do you know if he was doing ketamine IV infusions in a clinic? Or perhaps nasal spray applications?

Anything about the frequency of the actual pharmaceutical sessions/doses?

It occurs to me that there appear to be three approaches being explored with ketamine treatment?

• My trip experience is most akin to "ketamine infusion" sessions. Those are the big dose in a clinic type things. I personally attest to this as a plausible approach to augmenting therapy
• There's periodic low-dosing managed in a semi-clinical environment, where you get some of the benefits of just.. being dissociated, but without having it occur naturally as a trauma response. Sounds like my cough syrup era, or the nice feeling of a good post-acid afterglow. I am skeptical of this as a path towards permanent recovery / freedom from learned self-torment / freedom from being medicalised for long stretches of time
• Then there's whatever the operation you've found is doing, which looks like a grey area way to sell ketamine for daily use. I am skeptical that this will not turn into a mini oxy type scandal real quick. If they are not also offering therapy as part of their services, they are either libertarian-brained opportunists or straight up abusing the marginal gains that legitimate research has helped make (re: decriminalisation and the opportunity for medical research / treatment programs,) to make money.

The first two, I'd entertain as plausible approaches though with very different long term goals and expectations for recovery and regaining control of your life. I would sit by and be curious if a friend were doing these.

The last one I would exploit because I seek drugs. I would not trust them with your physical and mental health. I would counsel a friend not to fuck with this.

Someone correct me if I’m wrong but they may be enrolling you in a clinical trial, for which you should be paid.

I think they're doing legal loophole fuckery with the blessing of a corrupt or lazy physician. I've seen it with other substances and it can be a trainwreck for legitimate research progress. I'm actually kind of alarmed to be hearing about this sort of operation.

it probably depends on your DOC whether I'd recommend risking it.

Underrated point here. And the motivation behind your use, if you have insight into it.

lower frequencies too

Yeah the most frequent I've heard of is fortnightly. To me even that sounds excessive unless it's part of a planned therapeutic process over a set time-frame with mental health support staff (ie therapists) helping build coping strategies, doing EMDR, learning bilateral stimulation coping techniques / whatever the fuck else might work.

I would lie, horde that shit, do some research and just take advantage of the subsidised access. Do not follow the dosing protocols being discussed that is bugfuck wild exploitative shit. They tryna hook you fam.

Yea I didn't want to call it medical malpractice cause I have no medical qualifications

I don't either but I called it out as sounding like a grift operation to me. I gotta admit I glossed over the vast difference between my testimony and the idea of taking ketamine regularly indefinitely. That's wildly inappropriate. Those aren't doctors they're capitalists with one licensed physician in the organisation rubber-stamping the process.

We have similar operations in my country for other practically benign substances. Also for weed. But this particular type of operation sounds like bad news.