Cowbee

1. If they threatened war, they would have been attacked. They knew an attack was coming, and giving the Nazis a cause for war could have been used by the west to side with the Nazis. This was not without evidence.

Harry Truman later, in 1941 in front of the Senate, stated:

If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia, and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible, although I don’t want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances.

2. Are you calling the mountains of evidence the Nazis did it falsified, or do you just make it a habit to take Goebbels at his word?

1. No, lmao. The Soviets had little economic incentive to invade, their economy was a planned one and not one that relied on colonization like the Nazis. Get a better answer.

2. They didn't agree to an invasion in the pact, that's why.

Yes, the Soviets respected the pact, they just didn't expect it to last, and the pact didn't include joint plans for invading Poland.

The US did more trade with the allies, never said they didn't, but that they continued to profit off the Nazis throughout the war.

Secondly, the Soviet Union was severely underdeveloped. It was rapidly industrializing, but needed finished goods that they couldn't produce and the Allies would not trade them for. The goods they got from the Nazis as a trade contributed towards the defeat of the Nazis.

Gotcha, the Soviets should have risked entering a war they weren't certain they could win and weren't certain the west wouldn't flip on them. In other words, you wish they had committed suicide for Poland.

As for Katyn, it's the same source that you read earlier, it's Grover Furr's blog. Grover Furr often makes poor arguments, but the historical evidence he presents is valid. You can't explain the factual discrepancies in the documents, the eyewitness accounts stating that the Nazis did it, nor the German ammunition from 1941, nor the German produced rope, nor the Nazi execution methods, nor why you're agreeing with Goebbels, who first created the story and whose account the anti-communist governments agree with. In absence of a response, you just say "No" and "Hah."

1. Why did the Soviets move in to Poland?

2. Why not fully agree to joint-invasion in a secret section of the pact?

You have no answers for this, again, you seem to be arguing that the Nazis should have been allowed to extend the Holocaust to all of Poland, including the areas Poland annexxed from Lithuania and Ukraine.

Your point seems to be that the Soviets wanted to invade Poland, and did so willingly with the Nazis after agreeing to do so, rather than try to stop the Nazis from taking all of Poland and doing so after watching the West do very little to stop it.

There was no agreement for both to "go in," no formal plan to do so, and World War II certainly wasn't "done" afterwards.

You list no means that the Soviets didn't already try. You're effectively wishing for magic.

Back to Katyn, you have no explanation for why the bullets were German and produced in 1941, why the rope was German, the method Nazi, and the originator of the story Goebbels. There's mountains of evidence against the documents listed as "proof" of Soviet guilt:

The mistakes and inconsistencies in this letter are many. To start, the letter is “Top Secret”. Standard procedure for a “Top Secret” letter were to write on the letter the name of the person who typed it, the names of all the persons who have seen the document, the names of all persons to whom this letter is to be sent, the number of copies made of this letter, the carbon paper used to make a copy of it and finally the tape of the typewriter used to make this paper. For the “Beria document”, none of these exist. Without these precautions, it is not a “Top Secret” letter. The forger of this document either was not aware of the requirements of a “Top Secret” paper, or such requirements could not be forged by them. Either way, this paper immediately looses its value, and furthermore shows it is a forgery.

But the mistakes do not stop here. The signatures of the members of the Politburo go against the form. In this letter, 4 members of the Politburo have simply signed their names. By this act, they have rejected the request of Beria. You see, if the members of the Politburo agreed to send out an order or to carry out a request, it was necessary for them to sign the document, and to write next to their signatures “agreed” or “after”. In order for the request to be agreed and the order to be sent out, the members had to express their agreement to the request or their agreement to an order being sent. If they simply signed the paper, it meant that the members had read the document, but had not agreed to it and had not sent out any orders. The forger was obviously not aware of this and has made the mistake. Even if this request is authentic, which it is not, it was not accepted by the Politburo.

On the first page of the document, along with the four signatures of Stalin, Molotov, Mikoyan and Voroshilov, the forger added the names of Kaganovich and Kalinin underneath these. What the forger was not aware of, is that both Kaganovich and Kalinin were absent from the 13th Session of the Politburo in March 1940. They could not have placed their signatures on this document.

Skip to the "forgeries" section.

So the Soviets wanted to avoid war with Japan, and wanted to avoid war with the Nazis, and see what Britain and France would do. There were no plans to form an alliance with the Nazis.

The Nazis didn't take all of Poland because the Soviets went in. The Nazis even over-extended at Brest, which the Soviet approach caused them to withdraw.

Katyn gets pinned on the Soviets because Goebbels reported on it and it became a useful story, but the execution method was distinctly Nazi, ie killing men, women, and children from behind into mass graves. The ammunition was German-produced in 1941, and the rope used to bind the hands of the victims was German made.

The Soviets absolutely killed Polish soldiers, but the character of their involvement was not anywhere close to what the Nazis reported.