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[–] [email protected] 85 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

100 - >150 -> 148

So much win picard-excited

Another chart from the same article which he didn't show

https://www.apartmentlist.com/research/national-rent-data

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago

Surely wages also increased by 30-40%, right? marx-joker

[–] [email protected] 79 points 2 years ago

Getting hit by a car, but it stopped accelerating at 60 kph crush

[–] [email protected] 68 points 2 years ago (5 children)

rent goes up $1000

rent goes down $500

omg rent is so cheap now!!!

[–] [email protected] 69 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's not even that it went back down, it just stopped rising. Rent isn't any cheaper that it was last year

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 years ago

Mine didn't stop rising

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i had some items in my amazon cart. they've just been sitting there for weeks now because i'm avoiding buying from amazon for awhile. $16 total.

black friday came and the original $16 price tag is now a BLACK FRIDAY DEAL -24% at $16 ONLY FOR PRIME MEMBERS!

i ignored it. on monday the original $16 then turned into a CYBER MONDAY DEAL -24% at $16.

legit just checked. all the "deals" are now over. it's still $16...

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

“Just get a raise to catch up, if you can’t then that’s your own problem.”

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But don't everyone do it at once, or we'll have inflation again and I'll have to raise your rent.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I would fight someone for 1000 dollar rent

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago

It's even worse, it's more like rent went down $50 in your example

[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago

A lot of coverage of inflation (and also GDP growth) intentionally muddles & conflates change in rate of change (second derivative) vs. change in value (first derivative) vs. actual value (zeroeth/no derivative, actual thing being measured). Pundits basically pick one of these three values at random to support whatever position they're hawking and nobody bothers to think about what the difference is.

Lost count of how many people I've seen say something like "if inflation is down now why is everything still so expensive?"

[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (3 children)

This type of guy fascinates the hell out of me, getting owned so hard all the time by so many people, constantly being proven stupid and wrong, but he lacks the self-awareness to recognize how embarrassing it all is for him.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i kind of wish i had that capacity, it must be nice to live shamelessly

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I'm sure he's happier than I am despite being wrong all the time

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is so fucking idiotic.

I hate hearing about rent 'deflation' from these econ bros. I've never experienced my rent or know anyone whose rent was reduced, except by court order, but almost everyone's rent increases per year like clockwork. Maybe the only way to get a cheaper rent is to move at the right time but then you have to pay the cost of moving, which is expensive, not to mention time and energy consuming. But you can't afford to move if you're paying exorbitant rents every month either, and moving to a place that is $500 cheaper is eventually not going to last because of rent increases and depending on how far and how much you have to move then you may have just burned a lot of the long-term potential savings upfront. These hot takes over some dumb graph is useless or unrealistic to most people, since it probably includes the lowest rents in the most economically abandoned parts of a large country. Most people have to face an inordinate monthly rent bill even in moderate cities, not to mention the largest metropolises like New York and Los Angeles, no one gives a shit about the national statistic when their local and immediate condition is costing half or more of their monthly income and is only getting worse. It's like that guy claiming inflation was defeated if you don't consider all the necessary costs people have to pay, like housing or food, fuck you.

These apologists should be among the first in the gulags.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago (2 children)

my rent went down by $50 for the first time in my entire life this year and the way management reacts whenever they hear about this fact I'm 99% sure it was a computer glitch. probably will jack up our rent more to fuck us over next year.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm honestly happy for you, and I believe you, but you're an extremely rare anomaly which I've never heard of actually happening but I guess it does happen then. Kind of like ancaps with Milei.

Out of curiosity, do you live in a major city or do you have rent control? I'm guessing from what you said about your management that they didn't give you an explanation as to why it was reduced, it could have likely been a glitch since some companies use algorithms to set their rents. I hope they don't raise your rent next year but I'd be very interested to hear a follow-up.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)

yeah I live in a non-rent-controlled apartment building, I meant building management. what I think happened is the building was bought a few months ago by some random private equity group in the northeast, and coincidentally our rent renewed during the handover when all the websites and portals and whatever were in flux. I think their valuation models for our rent probably didn't have access to our current rent rates or something so we ended up being assigned a rent decrease. From asking around we are literally the only people in our building this happened to and building management was shocked when they found out.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago

this is the first time i've ever heard of anyone ever having their rent go down. the gods have smiled upon you.

use the 50$ to burn your landlords house down.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago (6 children)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

turns graph upside down

see? idiot

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago

tis i who is the idiot

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If this was happening in China, Westoid China Watchers would be publishing doom and gloom articles about how the collapsing property sector is going to cause the Chinese economy to go into a death spiral.

I know this because that's exactly what's happening right now.

Even funnier when you consider that housing and rent is about 15-20% of US GDP, including "virtual rent", which is imaginary rent which is counted in GDP. Literally imaginary in that it measures home owners living in their own houses paying rent to themselves.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 years ago

Smartest "economics" liberals don't understand that rates turn into prices by accumulating them over time lol.

That "one-time" spike, cumulatively, looks like a big permanent rent increase.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 years ago

"Well sure rent increased by 20% for a year there but now it's dropping by 2%! That balances it out!"

Also goddamn wish I got an 18% raise every year.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

lol, I googled to see how bad it is in California - I pay 70%, and have for years - and I found a "study" by Forbes that claims California is the second-highest state at . . . 28.47%. How is that possible? Oh, here it is - they calculate it based on the average California annual income instead of the median renter income.

https://ktla.com/news/california/californians-spend-second-highest-percent-in-rent-study-says/

Here's a better one that shows that 28.8% of Californians are "severely cost-burdened" and pay more than 50% of their income on rent:

https://calbudgetcenter.org/resources/throughout-the-state-californians-pay-more-than-they-can-afford-for-housing/

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (12 children)

you pay 70% of your income in rent? holy shit

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 years ago

The rate of increase is falling! Why aren't you people happy? That massive rent increase was just a one time thing (until your lease is up for renewal)

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago

For a second, i thought the graph was coaster in the thumbnail.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

the psychopathic tankies who feel the need to turn every debate over the economy into a blizzard of abuse think they're winning, because they're making more death threats, but what they're actually doing is demonstrating why views on the economy have become so distorted

logiclords always seem to think that you can't be correct unless you're nice.

No offense, but it’s been social media and peer information bubbles from the very start, some of us identified the problem immediately. “Mortgages and interest rates,” by contrast, are being adopted as an explanation because it’s the last alternative even remaining

Maybe you're just in a cope bubble of people who are well off and can abstract economic struggle into a 2016-esque theory of your social media grievances. You've been working at a university think-tank for 10 years. Get real.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Smuggest liberal's understanding of the fundamental theorem of calculus

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago

When your data doesn't confirm the point you want to make, just add more derivatives

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago

Communists, cursed by the ability to do math.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago
[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago

the rapid spike in rents was a one-time thing

so-far

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago

idiots 20% increase is countered by 5% decrease it’s simple math

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago

That's cool. I'm not voting for Joe Biden but thank you for the graph.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago

literally every word of this is false.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I keep getting this guys posts on twitter and it's genuinely impressive to be so consistently wrong. Every time I hear about a new thing and see his position I just go for whatever is opposed to that, 100% track record so far

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So, this guy is saying my rent is lower now?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

gonna tell my landlord they have to charge me less because just look at this graph

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Citizen remain calm, rents are leveling off at astronomically out of reach."

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I don’t think people realize how incredibly lucky Biden has been.

The Biden administration’s initial strategy was to raise the interest rates to induce unemployment to curb inflation (based on neoclassical thinking, which everyone here already knows is wrong).

However, contrary to what they had anticipated, the interest rate hikes have caused the interest payment from US treasury to pump out a gigantic ~$1.2-1.5 trillion dollars this year! The money mostly went to the rich people, but the trickle down of the crumbs have been enough to keep the economy staying afloat. This meant unemployment were kept low and consumers continued to spend. The inflation was mostly caused by supply chain issues, so it was already transitory in nature regardless of whether there was Fed rate hikes or not.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics has a 12-month lag when it comes to housing price data, and new leases have their rents going down (as shown in the quoted tweet here), which means that high rent is still being counted in the CPI print and this will come down over the next few months.

But the inflation is practically over. Biden survived. The rich people have won. The poor people have lost the most. In fact, African Americans have seen unemployment increased, while white families (especially in the top 10%) saw their share of wealth increased. The economy didn’t crash, and all the right wing economists who predicted a recession have got it all wrong (which is what I have been saying throughout this year - no recession in the US!).

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