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[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 years ago (2 children)

"inflation has been falling fast"

Inflation is cumulative. Having lower inflation doesn't change the fact that the prices are generally up ~20% over the last few years.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 years ago

Also the consumer price metric I saw excluded basic foods, clothing, and housing or something like that. Great that the poors can afford Ivory backscratchers while they're being evicted.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yea it's infuriating to have somebody who claims to be an authority on economics say prices didn't go up in October like it means the problems solved.

They also didn't go down asshole. Everything's still double what it was 2 years ago and nobody is making more money.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

The rich are making more money

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Do any of these guys ever admit that unemployment is down because so many people are stringing together multiple jobs to try to make rent?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It also doesn’t count people who’ve given up looking for work. Double whammy

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yep, pretty much all western countries do this. When you look into the statistics, the requirements to be counted as 'unemployed' are always unexpectedly stringent, and the real figure is typically anywhere between 2x-10x higher than reported.

If you're in the UK and not employed but actively seeking employment, if you want to count towards the 'unemployed' figure, you typically need to be housing yourself, you must be looking for a minimum of ~20 hours a week of work, you can't be casually employed (even if you work an average of ~0 hours a week), you can't have been unemployed for less than one month nor for over 6 months, you can't have most recently been a student, you can't be volunteering, you can't be minding children regularly, the list goes on.

If you want the accurate number of "people who are actively looking for meaningful employment because they need money", you're out of luck.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Jobs = good economy

More jobs = more gooder economy

Do I get one of those pretend Nobel prizes for economists now?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Depends, how many rich white dudes do you know?

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 years ago

What about the RENT, Paul?! What about HEALTHCARE, Paul!? What about EDUCATION, Paul!?

I don't care how little a new fucking TV costs!

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 years ago (2 children)

MICHAEL HUDSON: It’s not a straw man argument; it’s deliberate ignorance. You have to really have tunnel vision and not understand the most basic economic history to make the misrepresentations that Krugman said.

And if I hadn’t met him, and I didn’t know how really stupid he is as a person, I would think he’s deliberately lying, but I have met him and he really is that stupid.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

Lol that doesn't sound like Hudson to call someone stupid. So Krugman must be REALLY stupid.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I wonder why consumer sentiment is low. Could it be that the continuous inflation eroded purchasing power without any real increase in wages?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

I know you have to live in your car but you're employed and the line is going up so honestly I don't understand why you're complaining

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

We reach arbitrary number, therefore number good. God I wish my job was as easy as an economicist.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Consumer prices didn't rise at all." This is the same asshole that said there was no inflation if you didn't count rent, gas, and food.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

Wow, the consumer prices that were already astronomically high didn't go any higher? Great news, now I can afford a house.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

The damn Bidenomics button on this consent manufacturing machine aint work got damn

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I am one of those rare people who is doing "ok". But that's because I live in a goddam commune with 4 other well educated and paid trans women. If I was your stereotypical cis het person trying to start a family I have no fucking idea how I would survive.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I wonder if it would be possible for everyone to live in a commune. ~~A giant global commune~~ A massive commune system within a single country.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

We are having trouble adding the 5th to the mortgage so I don't think slowly adding people will get us there! Maybe we need some kind of massive turnover of our social system, like some sort of spinning of society to reinvent it and throw off inefficiencies and injustices.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

You don't. It's incredibly stressful.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

A guide to U.S. politics and the economy — from the mainstream to the wonkish.

what a spectrum! "mainstream to wonkish" to subtly reassure the complacent liberal that their status will not be challenged

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

Sure, it looks bad down in the pit, and every bone in your body might be broken— but things are good! You have stopped falling, and your bones stopped breaking!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

Capitalist economics are ideologically driven pseudo-science, more and more people are saying this.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago