Anyone actually choosing what they can eat is in a priveleged position weather it be materially, financially or health wise to be honest. Lots of people go to bed hungry around the globe.
this post was submitted on 02 Nov 2023
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Yes and? We can acknowledge that choosing what you can eat is a privilege, but those with that privilege should exercise it to minimize the suffering they cause in the world. "People go to bed hungry" isn't an adequate excuse for anyone with means to go vegan to choose to continue eating meat. This post has big "Well China creates more carbon pollution" energy.
I live in a country where a quarter of the population are food insecure and suffer from stunted growth due to malnutrition. I have gone to bed hungry a few times before.
China doesn't even create more carbon pollution per capita than most western nations, not even close. China is also in the process of industrialisation, something most western countries did many years ago.
You fail to address the main point of my post. I'm sure everyone here is aware of the problem of world hunger, its a god damn communist forum. All you're doing is whatabouting to de-legitimize veganism, a positive change many people have the power to make.
And you are failing to see it from a different perspective. It's not whatabouism, that's a made up word used by British media to discredit the valid arguments of the IRA. In your perspective many people have the power to make that change, and that is likely true where you live and they should make that change, in my perspective where I live many do not have the power to make that change, and feeding the people should take priority. As done by actually existing socialist states in the past.
in my perspective where I live many do not have the power to make that change, and feeding the people should take priority. As done by actually existing socialist states in the past.
That's a pro-veganism argument dude, turns out food is a lot more efficient if you give it directly to people instead of filtering it through animals
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It's important to be very sensitive to those people and their situation, but 99% of the people I have this conversation with are not those people, and use those people's existence as a trump card to avoid the conversation.
Not only that, they do the exact same thing with Indigenous people and their traditional food production and consumption practices.
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The vast majority of people on the planet choose what they eat and the first/second most populous (depends who you ask) country is 1/3-1/2 vegetarian and quite poor overall.
Killing animals is usually not a matter of food security.
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"Oh but there are a bunch of ants and bunny rabbits walking across the bean track, and only the bean track!"
I just wish people would stop falling for the utterly absurd anti-PETA propaganda.
Like, meat eaters unironically claiming PETA hates animals is just so infuriating I want to slap whoever says it.
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Though there shouldn't really be a struggle, the meme is correct. It's okay to be provoked and confronted with ways in which we could be better, that should not be cause for anger
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I don't care for beans so I make the trolley crush the beans.
INAV for the simple reason that I'm not strong enough to have that level of self discipline, and autistically stuck in my food habits, but at some point I realized that vegans are essentially broadly speaking correct. Anyone who cares enough about defending their carnism has clearly had a nerve touched by this meme. Like, why not just ignore it and go on with your life if you're not going to change your habits anyway? You're certainly not going to convince a vegan to stop being vegan (and why would you want to lmao?). So just. Move on? I know we have a posting culture but on this one you really don't need to.
I have some squabbles with certain vegan arguments, mostly in the form of "you're correct but you're argument for it is bad" rather then "i think your argument is literally wrong", but I'm not going to bother fighting for something I dont even actually defend. My biggest thing is that I dont think consumption habits matter that much so I dont know why people fight for it so hard when there are better ways to fight the meat industry than simple consumer choices. But like, the meme still isnt technically wrong.
I have some squabbles with certain vegan arguments, mostly in the form of "you're correct but you're argument for it is bad" rather then "i think your argument is literally wrong"
literally my main criticism, the arguments sometimes are out of touch and dogmatic. But the vast majority have well thought out and consistent arguments, i think. I have rethought my stance on the subject many times due to this place, and i thank hexbear for that.
stop comparing animal husbandry to the atlantic slave trade though, thats just racist. I don't have another example off the top of my head but please do not use the slave trade one.
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I log off for 2 days and this is what happens?
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"Where I'm going, you can't follow. Ilsa, what I've got to do, you can't be any part of. I'm no good at being noble, but it doesn't take much to see that the problems of a pig and a trolly don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world. Someday you'll understand that."
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