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They're mostly getting dunked on, but they're wriggling around all over the thread raging about science being made "political."

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 2 years ago (2 children)

In Braiding Sweetgrass the author mentions this Native American tribe where hunting is predominantly done by men but is only taught to boys by grandmothers. They de-masculinise it so that it doesn't become a toxic competition for male virtues. Instead it's taught as doing a hard but necessary thing in the context of stewardship and reciprocity for the land. They're also learning the plants from the predominantly female gatherers since that's necessary information when you're away from camp. Segregating information based on sex only makes sense if one side is so disproportionately powerful that they think they can completely subjugate the other. That's stupid when you have a limited number of hands and a set number of tasks required to survive.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

That's stupid when you have a limited number of hands and a set number of tasks required to survive.

graeber Fragments

violence, particularly structural violence, where all the power is on one side, creates ignorance. If you have the power to hit people over the head whenever you want, you don’t have to trouble yourself too much figuring out what they think is going on, and therefore, generally speaking, you don’t. Hence the sure-fire way to simplify social arrangements, to ignore the incredibly complex play of perspectives, passions, insights, desires, and mutual understandings that human life is really made of, is to make a rule and threaten to attack anyone who breaks it. This is why violence has always been the favored recourse of the stupid: it is the one form of stupidity to which it is almost impossible to come up with an intelligent response. It is also of course the basis of the state.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This is why violence has always been the favored recourse of the stupid: it is the one form of stupidity to which it is almost impossible to come up with an intelligent response. It is also of course the basis of the state.

This resonates all the way to the USMC where they celebrate the crayon eating meme/joke as a personal identifier.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Unto Others has a section in it that has always stuck with me about division of labor in large groups vs small ones. Members of small groups tend towards being jacks of all trades, and their roles and duties look very similar to one another, and few functional distinctions can be made between them because anyone might have to do anything at any time. Large groups have a lot more specialization of labor within their structure.

It's not specifically a book about humans, more of a dry text about the evolutionary theories surrounding altruism. Humans demonstrate it well, but it's a dynamic that other social animals like ants demonstrate too.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

Pretty much this. When you're in a small band or tribe it's "all hands on deck" all the time. There might be lowered expectations of the young and the old but everyone does something to benefit the group.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 2 years ago (1 children)

peterson-pain "B-b-but it mapped so well onto my assumptions and prejudices! The rigorously collected evidence must be wrong!"

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Weird how they call for minorities to always be ready to justify not being purged by eugenics at any given moment, but they will demand a world where their worldview is NEVER challenged. It's correct because they say so, it's only a wacky coincidence that being "redpilled to the harsh truth" just so happens to say that they are super special and deserve extra privileges in society.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Humanity not try to cull the weak for the good of mankind every two seconds challenge

[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 years ago

They are deeply emotionally invested in the idea that being aggressive assholes that struggle with basic hygiene expectations is because of some primordial caveman power level and not just them being aggressive assholes that struggle with basic hygiene expectations. nerd

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 years ago (1 children)

People have never, at any point in human history, been that simple. Just because you don't have access to transistors or combustion engines or whatever doesn't mean personalities and interpersonal relations aren't complex.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

um sorry sweaty, humanity went to the moon and discovered pronouns

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

That's what 2001: A Space Odyssey is about

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago (4 children)

i find it very difficult to take a field seriously when the most famous professor in it is lobster man

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's almost sad to see people get so far in academic careers but still hold onto their biases and prejudices like security blankets. I get it that EVERYONE has sacred cow beliefs, but Jordan Peterson should in theory know better than to let his ideals born out of wishful thinking get in the way of reality.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

He suppresses rational thought with cocktails of prescription drugs and red meat

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

jesse-wtf he is not an anthropologist

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

he loves to say he is while being bigoted tho

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He's not a climatologist either but he regularly states his very learned expert opinion on climate change. grillman

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

Philosophy too!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

i was talking about evo psych

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Look I don't want to be too much of a STEMlord but something you'll notice about a lot of these supremely cringe evopsych PhDs is that they have quite a bit more time with the psych part and a lot less with the evo part

(Okay maybe there are some cringe as fuck Evo types too but the first people I ever heard laughing in public at Pee Pee Jordanson videos were some evolutionary biology grads so I want to believe they are above this shit)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

90% of the pushback i've ever seen on evopsych comes from actual biologists and the other 10% came from science communicators who are friends with biologists

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

For a bad time, look up Dr. Professor Jordan S. Peterson MD. PhD Esquire's takes on climate change. dead-dove-1

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The top comment is

More people able to bring back dinner. It makes sense.

And overall people seem to be agreeing with the comment. Dunno if this post was way before that happened or what but it seems to be the opposite what the title says

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago

The next top level comment down from that one is "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, let's keep believing the old hypothesis anyway" malding lol

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

It's been long enough the mods may have cleaned it up, but there was a lot of brainwormed shit downthread. There are some quotes of it elsewhere in this thread.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

At this point it's nothing revolutionary, there are multiple books saying the same. As always indigenous people and hunter gatherers are preferred to be seen as simplistic beings because admitting the opposite would quickly break quite a few narratives.

People are complex beings and always have been, there were many different ways that they formed their societies differing from group to group. Some had equality of genders, some were patriarchal, some matriarchal. It's intuitive if you don't believe in those bullshit distinctions in the first place.