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Absolute fucking weirdos. rage-cry China can't appoint the next Dalai Lama that's the CIA's job! rage-cry

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Westerners and their manufactured concern for Tibetan Buddhist reincarnations lol.

When Bhutan interferes with the recognition of Lamas in the modern day (to which there's probably some historical precedent)? No worries!

When India interferes with the recognition of Lamas in the modern day (to which there's probably not a historical precedent)? No worries!

When China, which has had a 2 century-long historical precedent of appointing the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama based on treaties? Um, yikes Sweaty!!

No investigation, no right to speak should be a universal law but it especially applies to this matter. Westerners watch Avatar: The Last Airbender and then they decide that they know all they need to about Tibetan Buddhism smh.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago

Westerners are very genuinely concerned with the affairs of Buddhists. Why do you think they gave one of the most committed Buddhists a standing ovation in Canada a few weeks ago?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The whole dalai lama thing is so fucked up. Just taking a random innocent kid and robbing him of a normal life, telling him he's some kind of inherently special person. I just learned on the Wikipedia page that the current one has apparently written that they shouldn't necessarily look for another dalai lama after he dies because he might decide being an insect is best for the world. I mean it's a dumb way of getting there but I support the message.

How many dalai lamas do you think actually believe in this shit to the day they die? Surely some of them are just going through the motions to avoid disappointing people and/or to take advantage of the position.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

From the biography I read he didn't really like it to start. However the edifice of the state required it. He seems to realize China is better for them than just a theocracy. Who knows what parts of any story are real or performative about it though.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago

Yeah the more I read about his stance on this matter the more I appreciate him. I've seen him say some fucked up stuff too, he's not cool or anything afaik, but I've got some respect for him for stuff like this quote:

The Dalai Lama office was an institution created to benefit others. It is possible that it will soon have outlived its usefulness.

It does kinda seem like he's tentatively hopeful that he's the last dalai lama

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

What's expected within the Buddhist community is that his lineage will probably"go to ground" for the foreseeable future, maybe for one incarnation or maybe a few.

While this isn't precedented for the Dalai Lama or the head of the Tibetan theocracy, there are high ranking Lamas such as the Tai Situpa who have had the recognition of their future reincarnations "banned" by the government (unsurprisingly, this was due to politicking from the then-Tibetan government and it served to benefit the Dalai Lama's sect) and so they've been recognised clandestinely.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Them wanting a consulate in Tibet is such a transparent attempt at spying

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I remember AOC signed onto some moronic letter demanding that China allows the US to get a consulate in Tibet lol.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago

I had a feeling she was just a grifter too ron-sugar-man

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Nevertheless, Chinese rule over Tibet greatly discomforted the lords and lamas. What bothered them most was not that the intruders were Chinese. They had seen Chinese come and go over the centuries and had enjoyed good relations with Generalissimo and his reactionary Kuomintang rule in China. [27] Indeed the approval of the Kuomintang government was needed to validate the choice of the present-day Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama. When the young Dalai Lama was installed in Lhasa, it was with an armed escort of Chiang Kaishek's troops and an attending Chinese minister, in accordance with centuries-old tradition. [28] What really bothered the Tibetan lords and lamas was that these latest Chinese were Communists. It would be only a matter of time, they were sure, before the Communists started imposing their egalitarian and collectivist solutions upon the highly privileged theocracy.

https://redsails.org/friendly-feudalism/ parenti

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

100% "They took my families slaves!"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Not my serfs!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’ve met a “haha sky daddy” type atheist who looked me straight in the eye and said some shit like “the Chinese are interfering in the reincarnation process of the Lama”. It shouldn’t be a surprise that he also think the Palestine conflict is just some holy war to determine who has a better god that’s been going on for millennia

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As a former "haha silly sky daddy" atheist myself, it's because Buddhism is nontheistic, and so it's fine because even if it has mystical elements, they're "grounded" so to speak.

It's absolutely a contradictory position of course but that's how Reddit brained atheists understand things

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

I'm still a 100% "haha silly sky daddy" atheist, but I am not (quite) so arrogant as to fail to understand that while i do not share their beliefs, they do believe, and that belief influences their life and their experience whether it's "real" (a narrow concept) or not. And, honestly, the notion of a Bodhisattva and similar figures in Buddhism is impressively humane and I cannot help but respect the notion, even if alleged Bodhisattvas don't always live up to their stature.

Replying to what @ryangosling@[email protected] said, I do believe that the Palestinian conflict is a holy war for many Palestinians, but rather than the arrogant racist version of that belief, I believe that many Palestinians have a principled approach to warfare based on the laws and norms laid out in the Quran, the Hadiths, and the Surahs. It's so common for westerners to assert that their enemies are religious fanatics, then ignore the actual content of the religion. I've seen several accounts from the present conflict where Hamas soldiers seem to be conducting themselves in accordance with the laws of war as compiled in the Sharia. And the Israel's should consider themselves lucky for that; The Sharia's prescriptions for the treatment of captives and the conduct of the victors is far more humane than their own behavior.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

damn can't believe they made buddhism political

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

The Ikko Ikki have entered the chat

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

Acting like this dude is gonna same world isekai

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But this isn't like interfering in an election. WTF are economic and visa sanctions going to do against a Chinese official able to interfere in the cycle of death and rebirth?

Or are they making it a matter of official policy that the Tibetan religion is false and that reincarnation doesn't happen? Either way, they suck at writing "Landmark bills in support of Tibet".

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Apparently the Dalai Lama hasn't decided if he's going to re-incarnate, though he's said he'll make a decision soon. Idk what happens to Lamaist Buddhism if he decides not to. Kind of an interesting question I'd love an answer to.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

probably nothing? once he's dead, some other people can say "oops he changed his mind and reincarnated as this kid"

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The bill allows economic and visa sanctions against Chinese officials who interfere with the succession of the Dalai Lama, and requires China to allow Washington to establish a consulate in the Tibet Autonomous Region before Beijing can open any more consulates in the U.S.

But this interference of the reincarnation is a real thing and normal lmao. Factions of different sects (and the Qing authority) can use their ''wisdom'' to influence the reincarnation.

They also can influence the Dalai lama after reincarnation by accelerate his next reincarnation (if you know what I mean)