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A reminder that Lemmy Developer, Dessaline, is a genocide denialist. (i.imgur.com)
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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What's most annoying about this is Dessalines acting as if Muslims are a monolith (which itself is lowkey racist and dehumanizing to treat entire demographics as monoliths) and as if dictators speak for their people. Have they never considered the possibility that Muslim countries haven't denounced the genocide because their leaders have material incentives to deny it? I mean lord knows the US has officially denied genocides for the sake of geopolitical self-interest.

Plus, we have extensive satellite imagery of these concentration camps. This site shows details on almost 400 concentration camps, all clearly visible as prison-like facilities. I just clicked a random one and got this:

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Man, I'm starting to think this platform ain't for me. Lots of unhinged folks here.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Same. Authoritarian propaganda from the CCP and Kremlin nonstop.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

lemm.ee has a fairly open federation policy, no? That's probably a factor. I don't see nearly that much.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Seems many instances still federate with lemmy.ml which is a major part of the problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I haven't had much issue with lemmy.ml tbh but I'm sure if I went looking I'd find something.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They delete comments in critical of the CCP. A couple days ago I corrected someone from there who was lying about something to make the US look bad. A comment said "per the CDC the rate in the US is X" and they misquoted and said it's ten times as high.

So I said "no it's x, look at the comment again." They deleted my comment and left the lie. They also deleted my follow up asking why it was deleted, as well as a bunch of other comments in the thread.

There's heavy censorship on lemmy.ml in favor of the CCP, I'd be surprised if they're not running it directly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Damn, what was their rationale in the modlog?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I didn't know I could check

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Bottom of the webui is a modlog, all actions are public.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Thank you, I'll check it out and might post it here

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Ya, and I prefer the open stance but just don't want to deal with the volume of propaganda. I'm taking the advice to be more aggressive with my filtering.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There's unhinged folks everywhere. Just stay clear of their instances.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Early on, I think lemmy was dominated by unhinged people, because they used it as a refuge when they got banned from reddit for being too unhinged. But as the rest of us normies migrated over because of the API fuckery, the unhinged people are once again in the minority. I see tankies get consistently downvoted into oblivion nowadays, which is a good sign in my book.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

No doubt in my mind we outnumber them at this point. We can't let loud voices taint this place.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

Unfortunately that’s just the nature of the internet.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Gotta agree but not ready to return to Reddit. Guess I'll play more RuneScape 🥴

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You can block communities you don't like, that's just the nature of an open communities. Everyone will be one here.

Obviously if you feel strongly enough, feel free to leave, but no platforms are perfect. I think its better to have these views expressed our in the open where people can comment on it. Even if the poster is too far gone to have their mind changed, anyone who stumbles upon these opinions gets a lot more context around them and can hopefully makes a more informed decision about them. Its actually a lot safer this way.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Ultimately, I agree with less censored stances which is why I picked this instance. I just don't think it's good for my mental health to engage in the political banter. I did start blocking some instances, maybe that will help. Thanks for the insight!

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I highly recommend moving to kbin or mastodon.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Kbin isn't exactly a way to avoid lemmy users.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A lot of tankies are just arguing "noooo, my """communist""" country can't be doing something wrong!!!"

But some are making the genuine argument that these are "just" internment camps and so its not actually a genocide. Which is honestly a fair argument. We don't tend to claim that the US internment of the Japnese during WW2 was genocide. Just horrible and racist.

Although the argument he uses about Islamic countries not caring is bullshit, because 1 those countries commit their own atrocities against their civilians so they're nit exactly running on morality. And 2 they get a lot of support from China so its in there best interest to not piss them off.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You can definitely make the argument it is genocide if you have to erase your culture and supplement it with the one of the state.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Yeah you can make that argument. And I would agree with it too. But I would also respect someone who (in good faith) makes the argument that it isn't.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is he a lemmy developer or lemmy.ml admin Big difference there

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Both

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

I see, ty