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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Long term possibility (aka 'the bad ending') is that the fash project comes to full fruition and the US is able to circle the wagons in the north and stay alive another 50 years before the full biosphere collapse.

Short term possibility (but not a 'good ending') is that a black swan event happens, like a nuclear exchange or a devastating disaster like the clathrate gun going off, and supply chains are disrupted so heavily and so fast that the federal government can't maintain power. This I could see happening ten years from now.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

Sooner than you'd think, longer than you'd expect

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What does that look like to you? The US's capacity for imperialist projection is currently retracting rather quickly. Is that collapse? Does it need to be totally incapable of anything other than local projection?

Or is this internal? Truly dramatic political change? Revolution? An end to the formal entity The United States of America? Food systems failure?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

at least 10 minutes idk

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

About 47 minutes, if we're lucky.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

Too fucking long deeper-sadness

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

Long enough to kill us all

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

depends how thing go in 2024, 2028 and 2032

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

The country itself won't collapse anytime soon. But it will probably balkanize and become a smaller version of itself in the coming future. I could see that happening by the end of this century or earlier.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

Not in my lifetime (genX) nor my kids lifetime.

Decline is happening but will take a while for collapse.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I dunno, how long did it take for the Roman Empire to be at its peak to when it just became references in the history books of the nations that came after?

About that long.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The height of Rome was 117.

Constantinople fell in 1453.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

That’s why the question of “how do you define collapse” is important.

New York, Pennsylvania and Maryland might well hold on as “The United States of America” with DC as the capital and something based in our constitution for another thousand years, but if the rest of the country has broken off I’d call that a collapse.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

depends on what you mean by "collapse." i think we're probably going to see a constitutional amendment that essentially declaws most or all of the non-military powers of the federal government in the next 50 years. i think we're already seeing the mass social murder of the poor, and i believe it will escalate without stopping as long as it doesn't touch the middle class.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

less than you think

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

how long? NOT LONG. because what you reap... is what you sow...

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The US will carry on.

We on the other hand can only serve to grease the gears of the great death machine if nothing is done to stop it, and there are always enough bodies left to keep this going.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You really believe that the USA is eternal?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I dont believe it’ll be this sudden collapse, it seems to keep finding ways to stay on top no matter who the costs are, even when it’s its own citizens. Americans arent “god’s chosen few’ just last on the list of bodies to throw in the grinder.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My question didn't mention suddenly, but how long do you think it will take to collapse.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The rest of the world will have to collapse before the USA does.

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