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[–] [email protected] 261 points 6 days ago (6 children)

I think it's really weird that inclusion is political.

[–] [email protected] 111 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Well, duh. By saying "All are Welcome Here", we are excluding people who want to exclude people. And they are the ones in charge right now. So simply saying "everyone is welcome" is now subversive, against Presidential policy, and anti-American.

Your citizenship is hereby revoked, ICE will be here soon to ship you to ~~Gitmo~~ ~~CECOT~~ ~~South Sudan~~ Alligator Auschwitz

[–] [email protected] 59 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

That actually isn't weird at all. People treat "politics" as an epithet for "controversial politics", but in reality, almost everything in society is political – relating to power structures, the distribution of status and resources, and how those factors are determined. What you're getting at, of course, is that Republicans have shifted the Overton window so disgustingly far to the right that "everyone is welcome" in a classroom is treated as a controversial ideology.

We're constantly conditioned to think of the status quo as apolitical in nature (it's just "normal" and the people who want to change it for better or worse are "the politicals"), but it is and always has been, and it's why we've needed so desperately these past several decades to remain politically engaged to protect what we want and to change what we don't. Now? Who knows, but we still need to try.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago

Great comment. Taking it further, making "politics" inherently negative has a lot of propaganda value to power. The people in charge generally want to defend the status quo, so they'd rather depoliticize the populace. This is why you get such strange contradictions as the people in charge constantly attacking "political elites" or "the swamp" or whatever. They're trying to discredit politics itself to consolidate their power. Similarly, when they do want to change something, they say "it's not politics; it's common sense." They want a population that feels like politics is something inherently dubious, or at least just not worth their time and effort.

Inclusion has always been and will always be a political project, because there are people who want power and who will use it to exclude people for whatever reason.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I think you mean that it is weird that inclusion is controversial.

To me, inclusion is the foundation of politics. It is the uniting idea that people with no blood relation - strangers - can come together to build something that benefits all.

Trump and his gang want to move on from politics. They despise democracy and disdain a system that benefits anyone who isn't part of their exclusive circle. And for the record, their circle does not include Trump supporters - the maga-hat wearing rubes are just the tools that Trump is using to monopolize wealth and power for his immediate friends and family.

When Trump has achieved what he wants, there will be no more politics in the USA. There will only be the Great Leader and those who exist to serve him.

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[–] [email protected] 149 points 6 days ago (7 children)

must consider whether the displayed flag or banner illustrates or shows someone’s opinion, emotions, beliefs, or thoughts regarding politics, economics, society, faith, or religion.”

So that means nothing about Christianity then, right?

[–] [email protected] 46 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I'm pretty sure Jesus would be on board with the "everyone is welcome" message.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Actual Jesus would be in CECOT by now.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago

Given the demographic they are going after, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out that a few people named Jesus got sent to CECOT already

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 days ago

Time for the sartre quote again.

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7870768-never-believe-that-anti-semites-are-completely-unaware-of-the-absurdity

The assholes know what they are doing. They know they are hypocritical. They don't care. You cannot engage in conservatives/anti-semites/fascists/et al with reason because they will not argue in good faith. They are bad people. Selfish, fearful, people.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Seems to me like flags are usually political and/or ideological in nature... That's, like, one of the main reasons we use flags at all. The US flag is political, the Idaho flag is political, banners that say "Merry Christmas" are gonna have to be left out of schools, even "Happy Birthday" is going to read like religious favoritism to someone like a Jehovah's Witness. Especially if the Christofascist snowflakes can't even be bothered to put up with "Everybody is welcome here". Why would anyone else feel inclined to put up with their shit?

flag 1

[flag] Phonetic (Standard) IPA noun

a piece of cloth, varying in size, shape, color, and design, usually attached at one edge to a staff or cord, and used as the symbol of a nation, state, or organization, as a means of signaling, etc.; ensign; standard; banner; pennant.
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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago

No no no. You can't curtail HIS free speech!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No pledges of allegiance in the morning then.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Conservatives hate anything that reminds them to be better humans, because they aren't.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 days ago

I hate the whole conservative Christian doctrine. Saying you NEED religion or else you'll be a terrible person and do terrible things. It's like, goddamn I dont need religion to have morality and know what's right and wrong. And then these fuckers have the gall to say godless heathens are the evil ones while doing the exact things Jesus told them NOT to do!

[–] [email protected] 51 points 5 days ago (1 children)

WTF is the pledge of allegiance supposed to be when it says "under god" in it? How come we can't ban bibles and qurans from school? What are they?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 days ago

Never understood how so many people just blindly stood and recited and the pledge in school. I stopped after 5th grade when I started to realize how fucked the system is

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I mean, it is ideological, like saying "All men are equals" or "Eating healthy leads to a longer life". I wish people would just come out and say what they really mean. Are the same teachers striving for a classroom where not everyone is equal?

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 5 days ago (5 children)

This is the tshirt I’m wearing today. Fuck Idaho.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They'll probably try to claim that blood comes from the heart, and so those hands represent jesus hznds with stakes through them, and everyone loves jesus.

You know. Mental gymnastics. Just anything to reaffirm their own world view since you are challenging it.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So it's the next sign to hang up going to read "not everyone is welcome here? ".

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Once upon a time, Stephen Colbert ('s character) uttering "It's a well known fact that reality has a liberal bias" was regarded as satire. Now, I wouldn't be so sure.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago (2 children)

The party told you to reject your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

I think the core problem is politics. I've met left leaning people who are just as brainwashed as some conservatives.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago

I've met uninformed and opinionated without a basis people who were left leaning, but I've never met anyone as cult-y as the MAGA. There is no way to get through to them--none. Their faces could be on fire, and they wouldn't put out the fire with water if water was proposed by the main-stream media to put out fires.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Maybe, but I’d rather be brainwashed and wrong in trying to treat others with empathy and decency, than be brainwashed and wrong and driven by hate for marginalised groups.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Fine. "Everyone except Evangelical Christians are welcome here."

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Kind of telling on themselves here, right? If "everyone is welcome" is an "ideology", kinda indicates the person labeling as such is against it. I say this because the societal norms on paper for every major philosophy or ideology would be in favor of that idea, and if it strikes you as staking a claim to something new, it probably took some mental effort to get to that conclusion. Would "be kind" be ideology? Technically yes I guess it is, but I doubt these people would be pissed about it and call it out like this. Are they asking for those cat posters saying "hang in there" to be taken down? That's preaching the "ideology" of persistence.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They just called out "everyone is welcome here" and you think they WOULDN'T take issue with "be kind"?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (3 children)

They don't want 'everyone' ... they just want 'white christian people of european descent'

When you are a brown person, the messaging from these asshats is always the same racist bullshit we've heard for hundreds of years

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 6 days ago

Q: What about that massive photo of Trump and the backpack checks for DEI literature

A: That's fine why do you ask

[–] [email protected] 37 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Good! If Jesus were RESURRECTED Today we would NOT want Him seeing such FILTH as "Everyone Is Welcome Here"!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Jesus was a Palestinian Jew. If He were present among us today, ICE would disappear Him to El Salvador (which is kind of ironic....)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

A Palestinian Jew advocating socialism. They'd kill him on the spot.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Well, the signs are ideological, in that they conflict with the state-enforced ideology. Curiously, churches are getting in trouble discussing the beatitudes, since they (yes, Jesus' own words) are in conflict with the state-enforced ideology.

What is scary is when there's insufficient resistance to the state-enforced ideology that runs contrary to classic virtues / traditions of compassion, hospitality, mercy, etc. This is the banal evil that lets abductions, renderings, concentration camps and eventually genocide happen.

If you don't fight with banners today, you'll have to fight with guns tomorrow.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

Ban rightwingers from living & breathing. Only way to get a better world for people with compassion

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago (3 children)

My list of reasons to never visit Idaho just keeps getting longer and longer.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (3 children)

It’s a shame because it’s such a beautiful place but it’s been full of Neo Nazis for decades.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Every political party and opinion is ideological. That's the very definition of the word. Using it as something pejorative is stupid.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

It's not stupid, it's an effective tactic because dems are obsessed with appearing proper

the right doesn't even care about the correct meaning, all they know is that whenever they shout about it dems back off

It's how they roped Biden into going 'tough on crime' in the 90s

It IS ideological that we demand due process, because our ideologies support freedom and personal expression, and it IS abhorrent to them that we have ideologies strong enough to fight over

Their ideologies all form around harming others, of COURSE anything humane will piss them off

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago

How does the “all lives matter” crowd feel about this?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Next up: Changing that pesky "E Pluribus Unum."

[–] floquant 9 points 5 days ago

Ideas in school are bad mmkay

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

When are we giving France their statue back?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

God Republican Christians are such cunts.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

Well I've definitely felt unwelcome in the States. Good to see they're being honest about it at least.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

It is ideological...

That is what school is in part

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

Obligatory: so... not everyone is welcome there. Roger that

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

idaho rly just said not everyone is welcomed here

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Idaho is a fucking backwards social dump. The poor think they are rich because the land is a beautiful place and you get a lot of state and federal land that's available to anyone who wants to use it

but living 20 miles from the boarder most of my life had shown me how much of a social shit hole it is

Like driving there with Washington plates will single you out. Like parking and people in the parking lots will be rude to you for the audacity for wanting to visit their spaces and yet a huge population of theirs works in Washington State. So at rush hour, in the morning you see lots of Idaho plates going west and then in the evening they go east.

its not like we havn't know for ages that its a backwards place, but its nice to see the rest of the world coming to understand it

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