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No. Their role is to support it, like Iraq, then lament the consequences after the fact as damage control.
I remember Chris Hedges saying something to that measure in regards to Iraq. The liberal intellectual class is there to support the state and American project.
I guess I should have been more specific, but when I say "libs" I'm not referring to the thought leaders, I'm referring to the rank and file. (This is generally what I mean when I use the term in a general sense actually).
the rank and file will probably follow the thought leaders
Rank and file turned on Iraq before the thought leaders did kinda
Which libs realized anything about Iraq?
They didn't change their minds, they just went from believing thing a to believing thing b without ever passing through a midpoint, it is an instantaneous process with no regard for prior conditions
I mean I agree, but thats what I'm referring to. I agree that no critical thinking was involved for most of them, they just shifted when the narrative shifted, but my question was if the same thing is going to happen with Ukraine or not.
Ahh. I think we're starting to see the shift now as things continue to go badly, and the west pivots to damage control and excuses for why they're still superior
The closest they'll come is saying "we didn't know any better" or admitting it didn't go well but not recognizing the US's role and still seeing us as just "trying to do what's right"
There was significant opposition to the Iraq War among mainstream US Democrats from the beginning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Iraq_Resolution_of_2002?wprov=sfla1 Also very large protests at the time in the US and EU.
Nah, best case they just forget about it (unless Ukraine goes full nazi and invades Moldova or something). Think the US support of the mujahideen in Afghanistan against the Soviets, or the northern alliance in Afghanistan against the taliban.
Ukraine invading another country would be Russia's fault too.
If the conflict stays like it is, just a constant battlefield with meters traded back and forth every week, then they probably won't. It'll just ... slowly fade away from their minds.
Now, something big is going to have to happen like a bomber full of ordinance gets knocked out of the sky over a densely populated civilian area or a nuke plant melting down... something that kills a TON of people in a very short period of time... then they might "burn their uniforms" a year or two later.
I don't know that there's a collective left to realize things like in the days of the Iraq hangover. Sure there’s like your CNN watchers, but thats a shrinking group and more people now get their shit algorithmically on some level. (Consensus) reality isn't what it used to be, like my favorite cult blue curtains classic In the Mouth of Madness.
Nope. They'll just pretend they were anti-war from the start.
yes, but news are just commodities and they'll just stop paying attention to it in 2 years unless you bring it to them after 2-3 glasses of wine.
You can see how news has been commodified when journalists don't have any accountabilities (like a 9-5 jobs with questionable practice where you can pressed on the person and they'll respond: "well it's capitalism, i have to eat, i'm just following order, i try to stay away from the politics of it) for reporting disinformations during the Iraq wars, Chinese Ballons or any others subjects; not even an official editorial apologies (they really don't have to because people don't care)
I remembered in a national radio broadcast, they invited a chinese expert who said that Chinese people like to create a political scandal (chinese ballon) to pressure the opponent before a diplomatic visit (blinken's visit). I doubt that the radio station will not invite him back for the next chinese "political scandal"