same but with one extra step :3
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Lmao, I failed every grade with the worst case of ADHD ever, every bit of the life you had promise, I had none. I have a family and job I love with a fulfilling life i wouldn't trade for anything. Ya'll need some therapy and meds or something.
I remember watching a video essay about how gifted kids never learn to learn so they have it harder later. If we would nurture kids more individual, this wouldn't be a problem
I remember watching a video essay about how gifted kids never learn to learn so they have it harder later.
The GT program isn't about tracking kids to become smarter or harder working. It's just about segregating the rich family kids from the poor family kids. Plenty of rich kids go on to live full, happy lives. Plenty of rich kids go on to be burned-out failures who keep squandering second chances until the money finally runs out. Plenty of rich kids have ups and downs and a plethora of endings.
The poor kids, on the other hand, tend to have it go from bad to worse. Higher rates of everything bad. Lower rates of everything good. Infirmity, addiction, imprisonment, destitution, premature death all haunt them more heavily.
Reactionaries get to point at the data and say "Look! See! Our system worked. We spotted all the gifted kids early and helped them succeed. The ungifted ones were going to fail anyway." But the cruel truth of the matter is that if you didn't get slotted into one of the coveted GT positions, you got short changed your whole way through school and spat out the back end with a big "Failure" stamp on your forehead to signal to your future employer that its cool to overwork and underpay you.
I don't know about GT programs. I used "gifted kids" in a descriptive sense.
But this reminds me of a conversation I recently had with a colleague. She thought about sending her kids to a Montessori school where kids can choose more freely and learn on their own basis. But it's far too expensive for her and it's frustrating that rich kids can go to expensive private schools like that and her kids can't
In my experience, the big expense in Montessori isn't the activities nearly so much as the student-teacher ratio and the real estate costs.
These schools tend to be located in rich neighborhoods where owning enough land to operate a school is spectacularly expensive. And the care they provide ultimately boils down to the number of eyeballs necessary to prevent serious liability should you let your toddler out of their crib. It's much cheaper to just keep kids caged up for eight hours a day than to let them roam under supervision.
On top of that, pre-K schools are disease hot-houses. It is, similarly, much easier to keep your space hygienic if you limit the kids' activities. I tried to send my son to daycare last month. He got four illnesses in six days, including COVID. Then he spread it to the rest of us, so we were out on our asses for a week each. Absolute nightmare. Had to pull him out again, despite shelling out a month's mortgage payment for enrollment.
We could have public institutions that are well-regulated and fully staffed, on public property that's professionally cleaned on a daily basis. And could require vaccinations for enrollment, include a properly researched educational plan, incorporate the buildings into big workplace settings so parents don't need to add 30 minutes or more to a commute to drop off/pick up... all sorts of good stuff. But that would require civil planning, which is basically communism, so...
Individualized, personalized education sounds nice, but some kids get anxiety from that much attention. I was placed in small classes because they thought I had a learning disability, but eventually forced my way into average classes. I did just as well being 1 of 15 students as I did being 1 of 5 students. I'd rather have had a large class where I could go with everyone else's flow then have every paced to what they thought I could handle.
I had a teacher in what I think is the equivalent to college (11th to 13th grade) who handed out work sheets with exercises he expected everyone to do and an additional "for fans" section. That alone made a difference for me
also school never teaches what you use this shit for. I coincidentally found a real use for math functions when being taught a real use for geometry in steel trades class, one that removed any need for me to use hand drawn geometry for any of the work we were doing. Thankfully the teacher understood after a bit and said "oh shit you're right" and accepted the math class style "show your work" instead of a drawing the size of a full sheet of plywood spanned over several desks
Yes, this is so important.
I had the advantage of making video games as a kid, so I had plenty of practice with trig functions trying to get my in-game spells to work so I knew their value first hand.
I also made it a point to learn early on what calculus was about after hearing desperate stories is people hating the pointless thing. That also eased on the learning, which is the only reason I was top of the class.
quaternions were also amagic discovery in game dev. its like I don't understand it at all but at the same time it just works and makes sense and you can do simpler math on them just as cluelessly and just fuck around until it behaves as envisioned. It also solved my drone getting raped by gimbal lock back when the only way to have a drone was to diy one.
Ohh, I love using quaternions but I don't like learning about them as much. They're both complicated but so easy somehow.
Horticulture class taught me why the quadratic equation is important.
"fArMerS ArE DumB!"
Yeah. We had to spread fertilizer for max efficiency. Also learned matrices in that class.
Oh so that's why I excelled in primary and secondary and now cannot pass year 1 of uni.
this was me, first two years of uni. damn, that was an unpleasant awakening! you can get better at this. 🙂
I know. I just somehow cannot get myself to sit down and study.
Is that not what the gifted kid programs are supposed to be?
In my experience no. But I also was simultaneously over medicated and under diagnosed when that was happening.
I never encountered such program but sure
Oh, i thought thats what being a "gifted kid" was. I was put in a special class called Gifted & Talented with a few other kids where we did alternative learning or some shit, idr.
Sounds great!
I was a gifted kid and I am definitely not a disappointment... Instead, I've just gotten a little sadder each time I have been promoted only to realize how low "the bar" actually is.
Our species is fucking stupid.
Half your comments feature the word “stupid.” Are you OK?
No - I'm surrounded by retards.
I see. Have you considered moving?
Or checking the bottom of their shoe
Do you have down syndrome?
"The bar" isn't only there to filter based on intelligence, it's also more importantly there to filter out the people who might have any moral or ethical problems doing what is required of them; but it can be difficult to see this if you're focusing on the whole treadmill you're on.
Yeah that's it - it's my treadmill. Not a lifetime of interacting with people at every level and coming away disappointed just about every, single, time.
The other end of this spectrum:
- "Why do you even try ? Just admit you're a talentless waste of human being and give up!"
- Burnt out and misunderstood genius.
Fuck the child study team at my elementary school and especially fuck the guidance counselors and mental health people at my high school.
"If you get placed in the more difficult classes, you might get depressed"
Well, I was already depressed when I asked and I'm still depressed now. I shouldn't have asked for hard classes and I should have just went to those classes and sat down.
I skirted by being a 'gifted kid' by not being smart enough to hit those kinda of programs, but being too 'smart' to actually learn any good habits :)
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