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Hundreds of Thousands Form 'Red Line' Around The Hague (www.commondreams.org)

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Hundreds of thousands of people dressed in red marched through the streets of The Hague on Sunday to demand more action against the "genocide" in Gaza.

NGOs such as Amnesty International, Save the Children, Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders), and Oxfam organized the demonstration, which ran through the city to the International Court of Justice. The protesters were all dressed in red, creating a "red line".

Organisers described it as the country's largest demonstration in two decades. Many waving Palestinian flags and some chanting "Stop the Genocide", the demonstrators turned a central park in the city into a sea of red on a sunny afternoon.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 53 minutes ago

I sure hope this leads to action.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 13 hours ago

There's a video around of a drone covering the length of the group, it took it like a minute of flying straight through to cover (what that video said) was around 150,000 people. Wonderful to see.

[–] [email protected] 80 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

That's a protest that might actually accomplish something.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

How? We’ve been doing this for almost 2 years and the genocide is still ongoing

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Protesting the wrong people. If the Hague enacts war crimes tribunals, takes Netanyahu and all of Likud into custody, it ends.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 minutes ago

Honestly wouldn't put it past Trump to then just attack the Hague to release them

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

Ahh but you see, if the world's leaders sit idly by for another few years until there aren't any Palestinian people left, they'll be able to say "look the genocide has ended, we did it!". All without having to even lift a finger to write a mildly worded letter.

[–] xor 39 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

protests accomplish a lot, but not by protests alone.
for example: sending a message to elected officials, increasing awareness, bringing like minded people together to work on the problem they’re addressing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Elected officials do not care. But a protest at the Hague may actually move the needle on action.

[–] xor 20 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

you can’t put all elected officials in the same basket, at the very least, they care about getting elected again and a huge protest threatens that….

[–] [email protected] 7 points 18 hours ago

Trump does not care. Vance does not care. Johnson does not care. Thune does not care. The Supreme Court does not care. Netanyahu does not ~~care~~ give a single flying fuck.

The only hope is to put pressure on independent agencies like the Hague.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Why We're Organizing No Kings Protests on Saturday--A king is only a king if we bow down

For the would-be dictator, success depends on projecting power and creating an aura of inevitability. They need you to believe that Trump is the new normal, that the MAGA movement will be in power for the long haul, that the only rational move is to go along, keep your head down, and protect your own interests.

In short, it requires a countless number of people in a countless number of places to do something that the Trump regime doesn’t want them to do, or to NOT do something the Trump regime wants them to do. That’s how we shake off the aura of inevitability and halt the autocratic breakthrough.

For that to happen, people need to feel like we’re part of something bigger. We need to understand that we’re part of a movement. We need to feel like we will win.

https://www.howwefightback.com/p/why-were-organizing-no-kings-protests

[+] [email protected] -13 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

If the numbers of 4-6 million are true then less than 2% of Americans showed up. The pictures of big crowds was impressive, but that's not enough. To the outside world, it looks like you have bowed down.

Take inspiration from this protest in The Netherlands and chastise your neighbours, your colleagues, your friends and family, to march, or this time next year America may just be a fully fledged fascist state with no personal freedom.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

150,000 is 0.8% of the population of the Netherlands, and isolated to a single location. The American protests were far bigger, so I don't know what you want them to learn from this.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

For an issue that doesn't effect the Dutch. And yet they still showed up in solidarity, because they have principles, and understand that to live in a democratic country means taking responsibility for its politics and not just voting every 4-5 years.

Americans are being kidnapped, assassinated, and having entire departments shut down, and their turnout isn't much better than the Dutch outraged at what's happening another continent away.

I want them to learn that if they want change they need to do something, instead of giving every excuse under the sun as to why they couldn't show up as has been done in other threads.

This is a good start I guess, but it hasn't done anything to stop Trump and co yet. They need to pump those numbers up.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

4-6 million isn't much better than 150,000? If we go by percentages of the population, it's more than 3 times higher. If we go by numbers of attendees, it's something like 30x higher. Also, remember that American college campuses have been protesting this since it began, often resulting in students getting expelled or deported. Sorry that's not good enough for you.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

1.18 - 1.76% of Americans showed up to protest fascism in their own country.

0.82 - 1.09% of Dutch showed up to protest genocide thousands of miles away.

If you can't understand how there's a difference here, between standing up for yourself and standing up for others, I don't know what else to say.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 minutes ago

Or just shut the fuck up because you're adding absolutely nothing of value and would find some other useless bullshit to complain about even if it was 20% of the country

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Two percent of the population is actually pretty huge. Historically, 3.5% has been the threshold after which change has almost always happened.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 hours ago

Less than 2%. So at the moment, by your threshold, no change. America is still on the path of fascism.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 19 hours ago

Faux News: "the world's largest collection of antisemites gathered around the Hague to demand the death of all Jewish people! Stay tuned to hear why they hate you specifically and want your family dead!"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Im sorry, marched around the what?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hague

[–] [email protected] 9 points 18 hours ago

Thanks

[+] [email protected] -44 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

I really question the hundreds of thousands, in a city of half a million of people - that would mean that half of the city. Thats definitely fake news. Even in the picture if the article it says suddenly tens of thousands. Sounds all a bit fish tbh

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

Lol you know people can like move around. Also, it's a Commuter City. Meaning kinda like NYC, during the day the number of people inside the city during the day is magnitudes grater than the cities offical population number. Grow up

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

The Randstad has over 8 million people that can all stand in Hague within ~1 hour or so. On top of that it's organised by four major organisations that has mobilised people even outside of the Netherlands. I see no reason to doubt this.

Lovely to see.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

You know the Netherlands is about 16,040 sq m, where about 18 million people live.

For some Americans crossing the entire country is an acceptable daily commute

[+] [email protected] -12 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Why bring America to the discussion, if its about a protest in Europe about a war in Asia?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I agree with you but it’s a theme on Lemmy. Every story is linked back to America somehow (however tenuous) and I’m finding it frustrating to say the least. Even with blocking all US subs, the comments still circle back to American politics. It’s like Americans believe themselves to be the centre of the universe or something. They just cannot help making every story about them; the main character syndrome is through the roof

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 minutes ago

Illustrating the difference in country size is main character syndrome now?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

I figured it would be helpful to show how close everything together it's in the Netherlands and how many people live in a small area.

If you just look at the stats for the Hague, like you did it is kind of hard to understand where so many people come from. I took it that it must be someone who is not from Europe. Hence the American metaphor for distance (and the milage instead of kilometers)

[+] [email protected] -18 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I am from Europe and know the Netherlands well. Even if all is close by, the number was a bit to big. And looking at other news outlets, it was. Not even the organisers say that number.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

I was reacting to you saying:

that would mean that half of the city. Thats definitely fake news

People came from all over the Netherlands, it's not a big commute to take. In 1983 555.000 people protested against nuclear weapons. That was back when there where 4 million fewer people in the country. So 150.000 is far from impossible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I didn't mean that 150.000 is impossible. I meant that 150.000 is not hundreds of thousands. That would only start at a full multiple of 100.000. But as I also wrote below by now, its probably not as important as I took it in my first comment

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Aha that I can see. It's a bit semantically difficult as saying tens of thousands instead is a bit diminutive.

But a demonstration of multiple of hundred thousand people is not unheard of, for example the 1983 example.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

You're doubting all major Dutch news organisations?