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I wish more people knew about Bitcoin's connection to the bank bailouts. Bitcoin unfortunately does not have the best brand ambassadors. This week is a great opportunity to tell your friends about it, because it matters.

The 2008 bank bailouts were a major motivator behind the creation of Bitcoin. The first block ever mined even contains a reference to it: The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks. During the bank bailouts, the government just printed a bunch of money and gave it to the banks, around 700 billion USD. They did this because it was politically expedient, well really because they had to or the whole damned system would collapse. And the 99% ended up paying for the mistakes of the 1%. All of us were made to pay for the mistakes of a very small, incredibly powerful and wealthy segment of society who made reckless investment decisions. People lost their homes, their jobs, their livelyhoods, their savings, and yet not a single one of those bankers went to jail. Instead, they took the bailout money and gave themselves extravagant bonuses. Yet the problem is not new, throughout history, every nation that has ever failed, has had their currency end in hyperinflation. The temptation to print money is too strong. Perhaps it is something that should not be entrusted to politicians or even humans at all.

Satoshi, in his wisdom, created a system by which no new money could ever be printed. No corruptible, tempted authority could use it to turn on the money printer and rob entire generations of their wealth or force them to pay for wars they did not support. He made a currency which cannot be corrupted and cannot be hacked, with 99.9% uptime, with instant transfers across borders. It is neutral technology open to anybody with a phone or a computer and access to the internet. Which is much less than you need to open a bank account. Bitcoin doesn't care about your credit history, or whether or not you can provide a reliable mailing address. Bitcoin doesn't close on weekends and will never charge you exorbitant fees to use your own money. You never have to wait days for a payment to clear. Bitcoin puts you in charge of your money and nobody else. And it makes sure nobody can print away its value.

But then a bunch of people came along selling get-rich-quick schemes based on crypto technology, and everybody goes "crypto bad". Satoshi gave a gift to the world. He didn't stick around to get rich off it, he didn't use it for celebrity, he just made Bitcoin and disappeared. Thank you Satoshi for your gift to the world.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Crypto freaks behaving religiously is perhaps one of the most disconcerting and offputting things about crypto so props to you for doing praxis by alienating people with this Satoshi as Jesus Christ our lord and saviour shit. You're doing good work deterring people from it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

sure, this might sound good in abstract, but it didn't work out to be useful. almost no one actually uses it as a currency, they hold onto it as a pseudo-asset which fluctuates wildly in "value". you can't do anything with it except buy drugs. you can't use bitcoin to pay for rent or groceries. some stores experimented with taking it as payment several years ago and they all quit because it was a pain in the ass and transactions took too long to clear.

a big reason why people say crypto is bad is because it has an enormous environmental impact and the main thing it's known for is as a vehicle for normal people to be tricked out of their money and left holding the bag as its "value" evaporates. i don't think you can really blame this on opportunists taking advantage of a "neutral technology". i think it would inevitably happen with any so-called "money" or "asset" that has no inherit value and nothing backing it up institutionally.

it becomes a problem when your currency is treated as an asset. if your money will put on gains year-after-year without having to do anything, it's deflationary and that means no one will want to spend it, causing a retraction of money supply. of course no one wants to lose their money's value to inflation, but the deflationary aspect of bitcoin ensures that people will hoard it instead of using it to buy things. if the whole economy was like this, you'd be looking at something akin to the conditions of the Great Depression.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3639431

Bitcoin’s price volatility is often attributed to speculative mania. Unmolested prices have been shown to exhibit an expected, natural distribution characterized by Benford’s law. Deviations from this distribution indicate an anomaly, and typically that anomaly is caused by some type of fraud. For bitcoin, the entire period of daily closing prices from July 2010 through May 2020 was analyzed. Analyses for calendar years 2011-2019 was also conducted. We can say with near 100% confidence that bitcoin’s price has been fraudulently manipulated at some point in its lifespan since 2010. We can say with 95% confidence that bitcoin was manipulated in 2013; 95% confidence that bitcoin was manipulated in 2018; and 98% confidence that bitcoin was manipulated in 2019.

There's lots of evidence bitcoin is not really living up to the hype. When you try to hype it with the same arguments while disregarding all the issues that have cropped up in the last decade, it's not very convincing honestly. Also considering that its market cap is only ~$500 billion, which ~1% of global wealth, that's not encouraging for its disruptive potential.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Satoshi gave a gift to the world. He didn’t stick around to get rich off of it

Isn’t Satoshi the largest holder of bitcoin? If bitcoin was used as a global currency, would he not start off as the richest and most powerful individual?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

i already wrote it once smh

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During the bank bailouts, the government just printed a bunch of money and gave it to the banks. They did this because it was politically expedient, well really because they had to or the whole damned system would collapse.

They could have nationalised the banks, had the bankers sent to jailed and prevent commercial banks from gambling with depositor's money yet they did not because the state under capitalism works on behalf of the monopolists.

Yet the problem is not new, throughout history, every nation that has ever failed, has had their currency end in hyperinflation.

Or could it be that the nations which had economic issues suffered from hyperinflation? Cause and effect etc.

The temptation to print money is too strong.

You do know the Government knows about the consequences. I wonder why Federal Reserve is constantly on about controlling inflation like its their primary goal.

No corruptible, tempted authority could use it to turn on the money printer and rob entire generations of their wealth or force them to pay for wars they did not support.

Is it though? Because there have been various forks of Bitcoin. I think you are not understanding what money is. Money is used its used to reward people for their labor. Capitalists take a part of the productivity of the labor for themselves. This means those with more control over production has a disproportionate control over the resources. Those with more resources can buy ASICs and GPUs to mine more crypto than a homeless person, this will create inequality and the resulting consequences.

He made a currency which cannot be corrupted and cannot be hacked

Yeah I wonder why Bitcoin forks exist and why exchanges and rich coiners get hacked so often. Could it be that there is more to stealing crypto than not being able to manipulate blockchain? Its almost like humans are imperfect and make mistakes.

It is neutral technology open to anybody with a phone or a computer and access to the internet.

And those without a phone, computer or internet can get paid in cash.

99.9% uptime, with instant transfers across borders

Uptime ultimately depends on the reliability of those who run the internet. Lets say someone cut all the fiber links between NA and Europe/Asia, crypto will fail. Its reliability is dependent on real things like network switches, fiber optic cables and routers all of which are imperfect.

You know what else can do instant transfers? PayPal, Card transfers and thousands of instant money transfer systems which exist. Bitcoin meanwhile can take hours to confirm a tx.

Which is much less than you need to open a bank account.

You dont a phone or internet to open bank account. You go to a bank branch fill a form along with an ID, there you have a bank account. Don't have a bank account? You can get paid in cash

Bitcoin doesn't care about your credit history.

Neither does most banks. Credit history is for obtaining credit cards and loans, not for opening bank accounts. Its why even children can open their own bank accounts.

or whether or not you can provide a reliable mailing address

Neither does cash. You can also have virtual addresses provided to bank and there are digital banks which don't even ask for that.

You never have to wait days for a payment to clear

As mentioned earlier, neither does paypal. In fact, paypal and cards are faster than crypto in many cases.

. Bitcoin doesn't close on weekends and will never charge you exorbitant fees to use your own money.

Neither does internet banking. Bitcoin does charge fees, if you do a tx with zero fees there is a good chance itll never clear.

And it makes sure nobody can print away its value.

And nobody can stop someone from accumulating value in your wonderful utopia.

"crypto bad"

Yes, ghg emissions, no banking insurance, can be stolen very easily, slow and fluctuating value, easy to do price manipulation etc etc

He didn't stick around to get rich off it, he didn't use it for celebrity, he just made Bitcoin and disappeared.

Doesn't he have like over a million bitcoin? Your definition of 'getting rich off it' is selling it for real money. If lets say real money didn't exist, wouldn't he be the richest person on the planet?

Finally I want to ask, what do you think of age of consent laws?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

If I point a gun to your head and tell you to send me all your bitcoin, you will probably do so, and then you will call the police to tell them that I robbed you at gunpoint. The police will then arrest me and make me return the bitcoin to you that I stole. When you call the police after I stole your Bitcoin, are you trusting a centralized authority to decide whether or not the transaction was legitimate? After all, if I check the blockchain, the transaction seems perfectly fine.

Blur and OpenSea, the leading NFT marketplaces, both have measures in place to attempt to stop the sale of stolen NFTs. Should we trust these centralized platforms to decide whether or not a token should be tradable? Should we demand they abolish these theft protections in the name of decentralization?

As long as there exists a state with an authority on violence, Bitcoin being decentralized is a mere technicality. All power comes from the barrel of a gun. If the state wants to take your Bitcoin to pay for another war, they can do so regardless of what the code says by simply having the police knock on your door.

Do you want to abolish the state altogether? If you think all centralized authority is bad, what are your thoughts on the crypto space getting increasingly centralized? What do you think about Yuga Labs buying up other top NFT collections? Should they be allowed to do this and if no, who should stop them? How does Bitcoin solve any of the problems you outlined and do you really think that if the government hadn't been able to print money, they wouldn't have found another way to bail the banks out?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My only concerns about popular cryptos are whales conquering coins on coins. Technology itself is solid and Satoshi is a god.