Political Memes

This is a "let them fight" situation

Israel is executing gay people, and straight people, and fathers, and mothers, and babies, and the elderly, and the sick, and the disabled, people in hospitals, and in refugee camps, and Muslims, and Christians, and Jews, and on, and on.

I don't think people are cheering them on in general. Just cheering them on against Israel. Which, like…yeah. One of these countries has been committing outright genocide and murdering journalists and aid workers en mass for the last 2 years, and then provoked this latest attack by firing missiles at the other.

So are you contending that gay people should be openly supportive of Isreal, a country actively engaged in a genocide?

You see the problem here, right? These aren't black and white, one side good, one side bad situations.

Iran is a terrible country. My partner and I would both be stoned to death there. But there are also queer people living in Iran, in spite of their intolerant regime, many of whom would likely suffer greatly if Isreal manages to force Iran into a war.

Reality is more complicated than just assigning "good guys" and "bad guys". That shit is for Star Wars.

In this specific situation, there is no justification for what Isreal has done. Their attacks on Iran have been unprovoked, and in clear violation of international law. These must recent attacks, by Israel's own admission, include non-military targets which makes them war crimes. Iran on the other hand has responded carefully and proportionally. Does it feel weird to be giving props to such a horrific regime for their behaviour? Absolutely. But it's impossible not to recognize that in this specific situation they are being the adult in the room.

Isreal is actively trying to provoke a war with Iran precisely because they believe it will turn international opinion in their favour, distract from the holocaust they are enacting in Gaza and shore up domestic support for their government. I'm not a fan of anyone involved in this situation, but I sure as hell am not going to express support for the country trying to start a war to distract from their genocide.

If one tribe is bad, the other one must automatically be the good one.

There can never be such a thing as TWO bad tribes fighting each other.

me when people like you conveniently start to pretend to care about gay people only when something happens to Israel

There is concept on the left called "critical support" it broadly means we agree with that one thing you are doing, but we also do not agree with other things.

In this case we can say: For sure killing LGBTQ+ people is not good, but striking a country that is currently carrying out a genocide is a good thing.

P.S. if you have better source for critical support please send.

Me when people are cheering on Israel, a country that literally executes innocent children

People are cheering on Iran out of pure spite, not out of genuine support for Iran.

The American people are tired of our government spending out tax dollars to support a genocide and then gaslighting us about it when we call them out. They are also persecuting dissenters on it. This has happened under both Biden and Trump, though Trump has leaned more on the persecution. We are fucking sick of it.

There is satisfaction in seeing someone stand up to genocidal Israel, even if the party doing so is despicable in their own right. I think people would greatly prefer getting behind a western democracy taking a stand, but we're at a point where people will take what they can get. Especially with it being clear that the aforementioned western democracies aren't going to do shit against genocidal Israel.

And trans people aren’t treated as equal and they are constantly attacked by their fellow citizens.

Oh wait that’s America.

I don’t know much about Iran, but do they have legalized slavery? Because America does.

Nah dog. We ain't cheering. We eating popcorn.

It seems to me this is yet another distraction scheme? Make the people supporting gay rights and the people opposing Israel's cruelty angry at each other?

Don't be fooled. Israel is throwing bombs at civilians regularly because it doesn't even think of Palestinians as humans!

If Israel really stands for "Western values", then i want nothing to do with them. If they throw bombs at innocent people, then they undermine their own credibility and don't deserve to have a say in the world's politics.

I'm somewhere along the lines of "I just hope both teams have fun", but the opposite of that

Wishing both sides a very happy total collapse of their existing state

Fun fact. Irans executions of gay people in its entire history didn't happen until after the Islamic revolution. Before then and all the way even before the rise of Islam, whatever state that occupied Iran now all had harsh laws against homosexuals...

But enforced none. Not during pre-Roman times, Roman times, early Islamic era, medieval Islamic era, modern Islamic era. None. Not until the 80s did it happen.

It means Iran absolutely can return to a time when homosexuals were at least ignored by the law.

Isreal is backing the party that wants to do that in my country. Fuck em

No sympathy for either except civilians caught in between.

The best thing in this is that Russia may receive less drones from Iran used to bombard Ukraine, so that makes me happy

Thanks to Project 2025, the USA is not far behind Iran.

Is it possible they are both just very very bad?

I don't think people are cheering on Iran, I think they're cheering for Israel to be on the receiving side of violence for once.

It’s called critical support. I can support both Iran’s self-defense from genocidal maniacs while simultaneously criticizing them for their human rights abuses. It’s something that people with a functioning brain can do - hold two ideas in their head at once.

Besides, Israel has killed more gay people in the last year just through sheer numbers of the people they’ve exterminated than Iran has ever.

Meaning Isreal is behaving worse than them

Maybe they are cheering against Israel and not so much for Iran.

Purity politics needs to end. Some of you MFs need to learn strategy, and play a game like Civ. If Iran harasses Israel, bully for us. Two of the worst people we know are now fighting, we should celebrate this reprieve.

Supporting Iran limits the ability of Israel to commit to their genocide, support Israel only enhances their capability to genocide and supporting neither only benefits Israel which make use of their partnership with the west

Hate Iran all you want, despise them, that's fine, but we need to pick anything at this point when the alternative is Israel

It might be better for the gays in Israel, but what about the gays in Palestine, or simply the people within Gaza?

You can reform a state to treat gay people like humans, you can't reform a genocidal state

“Lesser-evilism for me but not for thee”

The Christian Right that faithfully facilitates Israel's decades of war crimes surely has no problem with gay people.

Does it matter if it's Iran? They are still the victims here. Israel is downright genocidal, and won't stop in Iran!

Eh, one side is committing genocide, has been ethnically cleansing Palestinian, continually attacking neighboring countries, and effectively murdering gay people as well (do you think the 2000 pound bombs make an exception for gay people?) and the other side is a theocracy with all the flaws that come with that. When it comes down to it, Israel is far, far worse than Iran. You can support parties you're critical of.

Because their enemy is currently executing literally everyone, gay or otherwise

Because the opposite side is Israel, a country that literally executes medics and children

Yeah watching Iran and Israel fight I don't really feel bad for either side. Does suck for the civilians in the middle though.

'Cause of religion. Don't leave that part out. Also, remember, the US has an office of faith now. lmao

If a country that was more progressive than the US (not hard to find one) started bombing the shit out of New York City, would you be like “well, they deserve it for their transphobia”?

Do you realize that Orthodox Jews consider women to be inferior to men? Like, they won’t even shake a woman’s hand.

Sacha Baron Cohen, Zionist shithead though he is, actually got chased down the street in Israel by an angry mob for playing his flamboyant gay character Bruno. He had to yell “I’m a Jew I’m a Jew” to keep from getting the shit kicked out of him.

Israel is literally committing genocide RIGHT NOW. I’m sure there are plenty of gay, trans, nonbinary Palestinians who have head their limbs blown off, if that’s really what upsets you.

The genocide apologism is so obvious it’s sad. You point to one issue that will make liberals go “oh no, scary Muslims!” and you run with that. Fix your heart.

It's not so much cheering on Iran, but not giving a shit about Israel. Like, Israel just attacked Iran, they reap what they sow.

Every country is fucked now. There are no heroes, only victims and victimizers.