kreskin

ok? and your positions are clearly indefensible and hollow, to the point that you wont even begin to defend them beyond resorting to ad-homs. So you can just do the cowards walk of shame right on out of this conversation and go bore someone else and waste their time.

yes, I know that anyone doing anything but whatever nonsense they're told is a dissonant and personally conflicted thing for you. Sorry about that. Its not a comment on your choices, just a statement of my own. I couldnt care less what you do or why-- I've seen your comment history over time. We never agree on much. Truly-- Good luck to you, centrist.

Life isnt easy, and I dont begrudge anyone not aligning to my worldview. Maybe what looks to be nonsensical to me is actually the right way-- I wouldnt be shocked to be wrong, compared to a centrist anyway. I'd be surprised if a right winger were right about much of anything.

No answer for any of it so you just deny all of it. So you're following hasbara patterns after all. Thats disappointing. Well at least we all know and you can stop pretending. Progress, at the cost of wasting a lot of my time.

And theres the problem of frequent blood spatter. College kids and old people bleed a lot.

Hopefully they’re not already five deep on you

Its fine, I'm into that. Or I can pretend to be.

Anyone have the phone number for the mob or local gangs? Maybe they can finally bring some small semblance of justice to these situations.

I found a "Dont Resist" tshirt for you:

https://www.amazon.com/Dont-Resist-Shirt/dp/B07NCV8C49

Also this one: "Give Up. Lie down in the woods and let the moss reclaim you"

https://obviousplant.com/products/give-up-t-shirt

Sometimes you resist even if you know you will lose. At least it spends their time and exposes them to lawsuits.

It saves the most time if you just talk to Walz's AIPAC rep if you want him to do something.

I find that mimicking their gestures to show that I understand their pain helps start the conversation. If you are not wearing a pearl necklace you can clutch, you can and should carry a fancy handkerchief and bring it to your nose as if to ward off a bad smell. Thats my goto when someone uses uncouth language when talking about cancelling SNAP, deporting children, or expanding our support of racist genocides.

From there, conversation hopefully can flower, if theres good tea, doileys, adequate crumpets, and high quality lemon curd to be had.

examples of whats good for Israel being bad for the US:

Our aligning with Israel during the Yom Kipur war (6 day war) caused Oil prices to quadruple, which caused a decade of turmoil in the US, and almost incalculable damage to our currency. And it never really recovered to a natural pattern. The US runs on oil.

https://www.macrotrends.net/1369/crude-oil-price-history-chart See that massive bump up in 1973? I dont suppose you are old enough to remember interest rates in the 80s are you? it peaked at 21.5%. Thats catastrophic damage to the average US persons purchasing power. Wages didnt keep up with costs-- not even close. The Israeli's colonial war cost the US our middle class and created a massive underclass. We all paid for their war, that they claim was preemptive and unavoidable, and not their fault (just like their attack on Iran today).

And what was our reward for that? Did we gain any political leverage at all in that region? Bases? soft power? No. No we didnt. all we got was some of the blame for the Nakba, and some of the blame for the ridiculous levels persecution and murder of the Palestinian people. It was pure cost.

1990-1991 Desert storm Israel badly wanted Sadam Hussein removed. Iraq said they invaded Kuwait because Kuwait was slant drilling into their oil fields, which is true and was known at the time to be true. So we invaded and rescued a bunch of literal thieves-- and coincidentally destroyed a potent adversary of Israel. What did we gain? anything? Two air bases, and thats about it, at great cost. The government or Iraq is barely more friendly to us that they were before. I suppose we got CENTCOM established in Kuwait. So thas not nothing, but its darn close to nothing. Israel got a major enemy removed for them. They didnt join in desert storm-- and did not allow overflight of their territory during it. They are not, and never have been a real military ally. They court Russia as much as they do the US. Same as India.

9/11/2001. Bin Laden says he attacked the world trade centers in new york to bring US public eyes to the plight of the Palestinian people that their government was facilitating, but that Americans had no idea about. And what did our people do? Our government idiotically claimed "they hated us for our freedoms", and made a big show about not blaming all muslims, just some. What was America's gain there? And when the attack happened, Israelis in New York and Israel were caught on tape literally cheering about it and filming it.

Bin Ladens interview with PBS: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/who/miller.html "The American imposes himself on everyone. Americans accuse our children in Palestine of being terrorists--those children, who have no weapons and have not even reached maturity. At the same time, Americans defend a country, the state of the Jews, that has a policy to destroy the future of these children."

Obviously no one condones or support what Bin Laden did, but lets be clear eyed in our foreign policy: was he incorrect in any way in his statement? I dont see how we can honestly say he was not being earnest -- to his point of view anyway. 9/11 and its outcomes would seem to be a massive, massive, massive cost to the United states in terms of hard power and soft, and added tremendously to our national debt burden. We have the TSA exactly because of Israel's murderous colonial adventurism. What of we'd simply show the muslim world the diplomatic respect of equals from the start? And he was right, zionism IS a policy of displacing the locals from their land however possible. Thats all it is. Its racist theft and murder. Its not self defense or justice, and it never has been.

And that brings us to today. We're literally sponsoring a genocide of innocents, for Israel's benefit. Its one of the most illegal and immoral things a country can possibly do.

The world HATES the US because of our stand with Israel. They now see us as almost as bad as Israel. Stupid. Easily manipulated. A global problem. This is as we have also been the main contributor to food aid and the stability of trade across the planet. Thats a cost. And what have we gotten out of it? Our funding of free weapons for shenangans and murder, and our vetoing every resolution that is about peace and justice in the region for Israeli gain costs us dearly. It makes every American traveler unsafe and unwelcome, and makes people not want to trade with us or listen to our opinions. It is destroying the concepts of democracy and the rules based order, and the concept os the western world itself. The world is ditching the dollar. I hope its all worth it for Israel to finish their genocide of innocents, who today have nothing. They are doing it for beachfront condos. They will not be any more secure after this.

And what does the US population gain for our support? Its not for any philosophical or moral reason, obviously. Israelis literally spit on christians they see in the street-- is that what friends and long term allies do? Does it indicate a "partnership"? What exactly does Israel provide to the US beyond campaign bribes through AIPAC? Intel on their enemies?