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Ukraine Is Losing Everything – Total Collapse Looms | Jeffrey Sachs and Scott Ritter [28:44 | JUN 07 2025 |Dialogue Works] (youtu.be)

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Main Topic: The Ukraine conflict, focusing on the strategic failures of the US and the West, Russia's position, and the potential for escalation.

Key Points:

US Strategy Failure: The US gambled on pulling Ukraine into the Western orbit via NATO enlargement, believing Russia would fold. This was a miscalculation, as Ukraine is a core issue for Russia.
Trump's Position: Trump initially wanted to disengage from the conflict, recognizing it wasn't in America's interest. However, he faces pressure from the "deep state" and his recent statements show he may be succumbing to the normal politics of Washington.
European War Mongering: European countries are criticized for not focusing on achieving peace, instead pushing for continued war.
Zelensky's Role: Zelensky is portrayed as a dictator who is leading his people to destruction with no clear prospect of success.
Russia's Stance: Russia has consistently sought negotiations to address the root causes of the conflict (NATO enlargement, security issues). They've laid out their terms and are willing to negotiate.
Nuclear Risk: The drone attacks on Russian strategic bomber bases are seen as a dangerous escalation, potentially triggering Russia's nuclear doctrine. The UK is accused of playing a leading role in these attacks, acting as a terrorist nation.
Ukraine's Desperate Measures: Ukraine's recent actions (attacks on bridges, drone strikes) are characterized as acts of terrorism born out of desperation, having no real impact on the war's outcome.
Russia's Diplomatic and Operational Genius: Russia is praised for its diplomatic handling of the situation, particularly in the recent negotiations.
Internal Instability in Europe: Many European nations are facing political instability and questioning the current policies regarding the conflict.
Putin's Leadership: Putin is portrayed as a highly intelligent and stable leader who is preventing the situation from spiraling out of control.

Highlights:

The speaker accuses the British of being a "terrorist nation" for their alleged involvement in the drone attacks on Russian strategic assets.
The speaker claims that Russia is winning the war decisively and that Ukraine is on a path to total destruction.
The speaker asserts that Putin is far more intelligent than Trump and other Western leaders.
The speaker states that the CIA trained Ukrainian special operators on how to make C4-based explosives and infiltrate into Russia.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Extremely primitive Russian propaganda. It might work for those who know nothing about this war, but not likely. Imbeciles-tier level.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

FTFY:

Extremely primitive Western propaganda counter.

It might work for those who don't know the non-western military propaganda about these forever wars, but not likely.

Disappointing-tier level.

You are welcome, peace!

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So your "counter" for propaganda is just someone else's propaganda? You could try to find something independent, instead of someone spreading all of the messages of one of the two combatants.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We all have our preferred propaganda sources; no need to assume that we are above being exposed to the Western/NATO/pro-war faction's version.

I have posted independent journalists before; feel free to review the non-owner class mainstream media sources.

It comes down to the status quo of being okay with mass murder of the working class while continuing more forever wars that help the ruler class increase their quarterly profits.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Despite your framing, I'm still curious how you think that propaganda somehow counters western propaganda. Do you think Ukraine should surrender? Would more of their workers be better off under Putin?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The Ukrainian government are willing pawns of the West; profit is the goal of these forever wars.

Peace has always been an option, since 2022 and before, but Western intelligence organizations and politicians continue to prolong the mass murder of the working class, again for quarterly profits.

Professor Jeffrey Sachs is one of many that are not lackeys of the oligarchs.

He does a good job of explaining the history and events that lead to where we are.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The Ukrainian government are willing pawns of the West; profit is the goal of these forever wars.

How exactly does this answer the questions "Do you think Ukraine should surrender? Would more of their workers be better off under Putin?"

Peace has always been an option, since 2022 and before, but Western intelligence organizations and politicians continue to prolong the mass murder of the working class, again for quarterly profits.

How would Ukraine obtain this peace, without surrendering? Which intelligence agencies and politicians are making money from the war? That's what you mean by "again for quarterly profits," correct?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Would more of their workers be better off

Cross-post of my reply, quoted:

"Well, I think Ukrainian workers would be better off without the current corrupt government that continues to want war.

A newly elected government that is for neutrality and against joining NATO, while not being a pawn of the Western regimes, would greatly help the Ukrainian workers.

This newly elected government would have to be able to be diplomatic with its neighbor instead of doing what the Western regimes want, which is profit-driven forever wars."

How would Ukraine obtain this peace, without surrendering?

Diplomacy and negotiations would be required, as well as not wanting to join NATO and staying neutral.

Which intelligence agencies and politicians are making money from the war?

The CIA and US military had been in Ukraine before 2014, as well as other Western agencies and military.

That’s what you mean by “again for quarterly profits,” correct?

The military-industrial complex, they supply the weapons and bombs, and the land is flattened.

Then similar companies come back to rebuild.

These companies lobby (legal bribes) the Western regimes.

Make sure to check out non-Western propaganda and reporting; there are many great independent journalists and commentators as an addition to our preferred daily propaganda sources.

Professor Jeffery Sachs does a great job of explaining the history of events that continue to push the escalation in Russia-Ukraine.

The Grayzone also does articles on Russia and Ukraine:

https://thegrayzone.com/?s=Ukraine

https://thegrayzone.com/?s=russia

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

A newly elected government that is for neutrality and against joining NATO, while not being a pawn of the Western regimes, would greatly help the Ukrainian workers.

How is being a pawn of Putin any better than being a pawn of the west? We're talking about the lives and income of "workers" here. Seems to me the average worker in Ukraine would have way more opportunity if Ukraine is aligned with the west than with Putin.

Diplomacy and negotiations would be required, as well as not wanting to join NATO and staying neutral.

You say that like it's never been tried before. Tell me, what should Ukraine give up in order to obtain peace? Because Russia's terms for peace are essentially "Surrender."

Also why exactly would Ukraine not want to join NATO, especially since they've been invaded? Seems to me this is like telling someone you've threatened to kill that they're not allowed to call the police. Who in their right mind would agree to that?

The CIA and US military had been in Ukraine before 2014, as well as other Western agencies and military.

Please tell me how they are making money. The question was "Which intelligence agencies and politicians are making money from the war?" Please tell me how, exactly, the CIA is "making money" and which politician is "making money," i.e war profiteering, because that is your actual claim.

The military-industrial complex, they supply the weapons and bombs, and the land is flattened.

So your contention then is that corporations in "the west" are artificially extending the war by supplying Ukraine, specifically so they can profit from it, is that correct? Just want to be sure I'm not misunderstanding.

If that is right, then what, exactly, is your solution for Ukraine, which is not surrendering? Please assume for this discussion that surrender is not an option.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ceasing the attacks would be a good way to stop the killing.

You didn't answer my question though. Do you think their workers would be better off under Putin? Would they be less exploited?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I am against regime change wars.

We in the United States have been directly involved in the mass murder of millions of people, from Latin America, Africa, and Asia to the Middle East.

We only make things worse.

We must learn diplomacy instead of pushing for more forever wars and coups.

Again, Professor Jeffery Sachs explains the history and the events that continue to escalate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We've done quite a lot of diplomacy over the years as well. I can think of dozens of examples.

That's still not answering my question though. Can you simply answer the question non-evasively? There are workers in Ukraine. Would they be better off under Putin's rule? I'm not asking if Putin should be overthrown, I'm asking about the lifestyles those workers could expect should Putin be successful in his military campaign.

I am not asking if the invasion is good or bad, I am not asking if it is justified. Simply if those workers lives would improve.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, I think Ukrainian workers would be better off without the current corrupt government that continues to want war.

A newly elected government that is for neutrality and against joining NATO, while not being a pawn of the Western regimes, would greatly help the Ukrainian workers.

This newly elected government would have to be able to be diplomatic with its neighbor instead of doing what the Western regimes want, which is profit-driven forever wars.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

That still doesn't answer my question. I was asking about the workers under Putin. If we look at the four eastern Oblasts, they have been formally annexed into the Russian Federation. A newly elected government is not an option for them.

So, with these workers from places like Donetsk and Luhansk, will they be better off under Putin as part of the Russian Federation in your opinion?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Convicted pedophile Scott Ritter!? Thanks for sharing!!!!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They are overal losing sure but the lines are stable and their supply of troops and weapons are in good health. They can drag this out for another 2 years if it goes to that. Russia isnt exactly relaxing either.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago

The video and the guests point out how that is not the case.

It is stating that Ukraine is just another pawn of Western/NATO enlargement to attempt to weaken Russia so as to achieve another failed regime change war.

Again, they point out that Russia is only gaining more land, while Western forces continue to support and train for desperate terrorist-style attacks against Russia that ultimately will not change the outcome on the front lines.

Western/NATO forces were and are okay with fighting until the last Ukrainian, since it is the owner class making profits and the working class being mass murdered for another forever war.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Russian propaganda is so amateurish it so funny, it's like watching a B-serie movie. Anyway it's a all projection, russians are struggling hard and Ukraine is sending them back to the stone age. This video is a nice proof that Russian are also coping HARD ! Sucks to be you! I recommend everyone to report this post for disinformation also, keep Lemmy free of Russian disinformation campaigns

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago

I recommend everyone to report this post for disinformation also, keep Lemmy free of Russian disinformation campaigns

Funny how Western/NATO/pro-war propaganda is taken a certain way, but when it comes to the non-owner class's mainstream media view, it is just the easy route to proclaim it is a boogeyman of your choice.

The video points out certain assertions and arguments for why we need to stop blindly believing these corrupt governments that are lackeys of the ruling class. Career politicians are not trustworthy; check out all the Middle East forever wars and the lies that were told so as to justify their continued funding.

Their goal is quarterly profits while being okay with training another group for desperate attempts at terrorist attacks, while Russia continues to increase the land they take.

The working class is always lied to so as to support more mass murder of the working class, while the ruling class readies their upcoming spoils of war and mass death.