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Seriously tho these people can’t be serious, right? Like this has to be a fucking op

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My family's salary was $200 a month

I hear this shit and I think about my grocery bill today, in America. Like, what could you buy for $200/mo in Ukraine in 2004? What was rent? What was a month's worth of electricity?

Like, never even mind Communism v Capitalism. Americans have no clue how bad they have it, because there's always some guy on the other side of the planet living a depressingly normal existence on 1/10th of the salary you need to get by in the States. It looks fucking hellish on paper, but when you're living in the literal bread-basket of Europe its surprisingly easy to fill up your shopping cart when you compare it to some college kid who blows that same $200 at Whole Foods on dry pasta and laundry detergent.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

yeah you also have to look at cost of living when talking about income. What kind of life does that money buy

although if he was talking about Ukraine in the 90's and early 2000's it is entirely possible his family were just really poor. But that would be capitalism by then

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 years ago

Communism is when bad before!

Capitalism is when now!

[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 years ago (1 children)

From where I'm at, growing up under communism would be the real privilege

[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I got into an argument with someone who was defending the American dream because their parents came here with "nothing" from a poor country and were able to become respected Ivy League professors

Their parents had advanced degrees, for free, from the USSR

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A lot of immigrant parents love dramatizing what they went through and you end up with a lot of people that moved to the US with no money in their pocket and a dream to thrive. I've met a few like this with parents who came from my country. I meet their parents and immediately recognize their Spanish as someone who grew up with privilege.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

I learned that the Saudi guys we hung out with in college were from well off families and their dad's were business owners. I'm pretty sure they mistreated their employees at best, but they were probably doing a little slavery.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 years ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 68 points 2 years ago (11 children)

My dad once explained to me how communism works and why it fails. A teacher decides that from now on on assignments he is going to add up all of the grades and give the students the average no matter how they did. The kids who did good on the test are upset because they got a bad grade due to the dumb kids who didn’t even try on the test. On the next test they don’t try because they know that it no longer matters and get an even worse grade. Eventually everyone stops trying.

Fucking what.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

My commune once explained to me how capitalism works and why it fails. A teacher decides that those who get the best grades get to take 10 points off the test of the kids who get the lowest grades. The kids who did well don't try on the next test because they get free points from the kids who did bad on the last test. The kids who do bad try hard to get a better grade, but don't because their points go to the kids ahead of them. Also the grades your parents got in school determines your first grade on the test. Eventually everyone kills the rich kids and the teacher.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago

Good ending

[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Lmao

The trick with that idiotic metaphor is that grades are a million times fairer than capitalism

OK like imagine this. What if:

  • grades aren't dependent just on the quality of your assignments, but the sheer quantity
  • you need about 10 million man-hours per year to get an A+
  • but lucky for you, you can have other people do your schoolwork for you!
  • in exchange for writing out all your assignments, you allow your workers to have a C-
  • if they stop working on your assignments, they'll get an F and flunk out

Yeah so uhhh, that sounds like the dumbest fucking school ever and I would absolutely want to "share" those grades between people equally

EDIT: Oh and GRADES CAN BE PASSED DOWN TO YOUR CHILDREN

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

you need about 10 million man-hours per year to get an A+

you need to network with the people who give out A+s or people who know a lot of A+ givers to get an A+ or even just to get a C.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 years ago (1 children)

if there's one thing planned economies are known for, it's not ever setting benchmarks for success. when factories underproduced in the soviet union, the bureaucrats simply said "okay thats fine sweetie."

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

no one tries because there's no rewards, also everyone dies because it's slavery.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Their dad really understood capitalism joker-amerikkklap

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 years ago

Lol seriously. Old job used to have great management after it opened. People had no problem working some extra or less hours because they know everyone had each other’s back including the managers. But then corporate downsized a bunch, the good managers got fired and replaced by like 1 or 2 guys. Nobody ever knew who the second guy was, and the first one was a piece of shit who made everyone miserable. Eventually everyone slowly started to put in less effort and quit. The guys in the freezers and warehouse wasn’t aware that people were quitting until the managers went back and hassled them. Now whenever I go to the store I see like 2/10 registers open lol

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This is just the same old recycled "I taught my kids communism by giving them all the same rewards for their chores" bullshit parable we've all seen before.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

help I created a skibidi dollar deflationary spiral amongst my kids

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 years ago

Meanwhile under capitalism, the ones swinging the hammers the hardest in the factories make as many times more money than the one in the suit sitting in the cozy office in the corner, right?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 years ago

This is literally a scene from a children’s sitcom on Nickelodeon

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

That dad's name?

Joseph McCarthy.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

These people evidently think that socialism calls for equalisation, for levelling the requirements and personal, everyday life of the members of society. Needless to say, such an assumption has nothing in common with Marxism, with Leninism. By equality Marxism means, not equalisation of personal requirements and everyday life, but the abolition of classes, i.e., a) the equal emancipation of all working people from exploitation after the capitalists have been overthrown and expropriated; b) the equal abolition for all of private property in the means of production after they have been converted into the property of the whole of society; c) the equal duty of all to work according to their ability, and the equal right of all working people to receive in return for this according to the work performed (socialist society); d) the equal duty of all to work according to their ability, and the equal right of all working people to receive in return for this according to their needs (communist society). Moreover, Marxism proceeds from the assumption that people’s tastes and requirements are not, and cannot be, identical and equal in regard to quality or quantity, whether in the period of socialism or in the period of communism.

There you have the Marxist conception of equality.

Marxism has never recognised, and does not recognise, any other equality.

To draw from this the conclusion that socialism calls for equalisation, for the levelling of the requirements of the members of society, for the levelling of their tastes and of their personal, everyday life—that according to the Marxist plan all should wear the same clothes and eat the same dishes in the same quantity—is to utter vulgarities and to slander Marxism.

stalin-pipe

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 years ago

this is the problem with the internet, you never know that the anticommunist idiot youre talking to is an actual baby

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago

Reading those comments, man the kids are not alright.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

My favorite part was when they said their dad actually didn't mind growing up in the Polish people's Republic because they had a nice stable life lol

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago

I'd guess it's a bit based on the username that can be interpreted as "hogroast"

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Management out of nowhere decided to no longer let me leave work early to pray the Friday (Jummah) prayer. They finally caught on to not having to participate in capitalism for 2 hours a week. Also the only one workplace in :estonia-burning: where I formerly could. It's like how the prospect of peace in Korea was shattered because Moon-jae In was no longer president.

Shit, guess I'll be moving again in 3 years back to Johannesburg to throw cinderblocks at Zionists from high-rise buildings, I guess.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

How can a Ukrainian teenager have lived under communism if the USSR collapsed in 1991? That's not very math.

That poster is 100% an American.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Americans can't even point to Ukraine on a map, therefore they are very confident that Ukraine needs 5 billion rockets to defend itself from ~~Donbass separatists and Roma camps~~ Putin and also ukraine was communist until like yesterday

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