You don't hit the donkey with the stick silly! 😂🤣
You sit on the donkey and use the stick like a fishing pole. Dangle the carrot in front of the donkey's face with a string, and the donkey will walk in whichever direction you guide it.
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While this is definitely a thing from cartoons, the carrot/stick thing is absolutely referring to hitting the donkey. The whole point is punishment vs reward...
Well, seeing as how I grew up on a horse ranch, I can totally confirm the 'cartoon logic' you speak of is absolutely real, and is used to help train at least some donkeys and horses.
It's more like teasing them to go after something they can never have.
Yeah, again, I'm not saying that's not a thing, man. Just that's not what carrot vs stick metaphor is about
Can you provide me a couple older references to this? Preferably before the year 2000, or at least before the AI and enshittification era?
It's pretty intuitive from the saying. It's the carrot OR the stick, not the carrot ON the stick. The carrot is the reward for doing the thing, the stick is the punishment for not doing it. Just google it.
Pro tip: you can also ride a pig that way.
Don't talk about your mom like that.
its an archaism. a modern understanding of animal behavior and ethics have both pushed that training modality out, and probably the more successful animal trainers of yore never really relied on it, but people absolutely used to beat the shit out of animals. perhaps not often, and perhaps not horribly, but animal cruelty was certainly common enough to enter the lexicon. see "carriage whip". see "spurs". see "bearing rein". see "branding iron". etc etc. hell theres even the phrase "spare the rod, spoil the child".
and this is not the worst place a study of the history of language will take you. remember that european and white north american cultures both (among others) unabashedly practiced chattel slavery for centuries, if not millennia for older cultures.
This is a little naiive imho. I get what you're saying, but the reality that has been proven time and time again is that if you're willing to stoop low enough and cause enough suffering, it is possible to break most animals' spirits.
In addition to all of the other answers, I've heard the phrase "carrot or the stick" significantly more than "and"
I think it's more like a threat
On the contrary, that's why it's perfect. There is so much evidence in so many different context that positive reinforcement yields better results than negative.
This is congruent with your donkey example.
No you're not hitting it with enough force or frequency with the stick if it's not working. You have to entirely break an animal's spirit and then you can encourage it. Circuses have been doing this for centuries