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[–] [email protected] 55 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Someone came in with a rookie question and there's some great answers with a lot of upvotes. I've heard the deprogram subreddit can be chaos, but this isn't one of those cases.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

It’s also reflected in Top 40 hiphop. They had Tupac in the 90s talking about Lenin and hiphop was not as commodified for white consumption. I like Kendrick but I’m not so sure he’s as revolutionary as hiphop used to be.

For every comment correctly identifying the true cause being LEADERS ARE BEING MURDERED BY THE STATE, you got dummies talking about how it's because Kendrick isn't revolutionary enough

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's that, but it's also that relative to the 80's and 90's, America has gotten less racist (actually and symbolically). It's a very low bar, but it's always shocking looking at media from those times and seeing the shit people used to not even bat an eyelid at on TV. A time before widespread bodycam use (yes, I know, there's still a lot of dodgy bodycam business), before every citizen had a camera in their pocket, before the news would spread like wildfire on the internet, or a video of some professor saying the N word, or whatever.

America is an incredibly racist place, and the system - laws, media, whatever - has undoubtedly done their best to dismantle black radicalism, but America has also got to a point where it is less justifiable than it was to have an armed militia in the name of civil rights. The police are bad now, but they used to be magnitudes worse.

It's the same reason we don't have radicalism in general anymore - the usual factors like repression and surveillance, but also because many of us have our needs just about sated, and have the illusion of free speech. Conditions necessitate militia style resistance - the conditions currently do not necessitate such a thing (to the wider population).

As soon as the imperial profit tap runs dry, living conditions will go down, people rise up - as soon as the state represses them as severely as they used to, the time of militias will be born again.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

There's just a barrier for entry here where white leftists are only familiar with the surface level history (the rap beefs, which albums Fantano told them to like, etc) without knowing the ties between hip hop and the Black radical tradition and how the CIA killed Tupac. Due to the subreddit's demographics it's gonna be hard for that part of the history to reach the top and people remain in the surface level, incapable of synthesizing a coherent theory.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

They should've made the connection that Tupac had familial ties to the BPP, was part of the YCL, and was probably assassinated by the FBI.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Gotta remember that random redditor might be 12 years old and just learned about the BPP yesterday.

In a way maybe it's a testament to the deprogram podcast for reaching people who clearly haven't done much homework but are curious.

I'm being very generous with these interpretations of course. That is such a dweeb ass question to ask.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 5 months ago (1 children)

yeah it's phrased ignorantly and people are reacting to that appropriately but it is good to ask why there hasn't been anything quite like the bpp since then and the answer is mostly the government killing people who would build it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Yeah for real. Like all the BLM protestor organisers who shot themselves in the back and set their cars on fire after they died, they stand as a stark reminder that this oppression is current and active and until a certain tipping point is reached or a critical mass of people ready to die on their feet find each other, of course people are going to keep their heads down and focus on survival and providing for their families.

Plus like, the entire legal landscape changed in response to the BPP in its most active areas and presumably where a lot of the surviving family members are still based. You can't just march around with guns and stand off with the police anymore unless you're a psyop org. You'd just get massacred and the majority of the population would see it as a reasonable response. Fuck that, I can't imagine the frustration felt by the people who would join a modern BPP movement but instead have to operate quietly in their neighbourhood self defense efforts.

Like I'm white and not from America, I can't put myself in those shoes, but I can only imagine how incredibly miserable it would be to stay actively engaged with politics while living with the legacy of the earlier movements being so brutally repressed. The experiment was tried and it unfortunately failed, at least twice now, so any new movement has to be something new and adapted to the current material conditions etc.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 months ago (1 children)

that sub is definitely overall a net positive but i dont think anyone there reads theory. back in cth days we would bully people who didnt read theory. deprogram just bullies liberals on twitter

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago (2 children)

deprogram is definitely too relaxed. I've also noticed a marked decrease in quality from hakim since joining as well. They all need to be more strict and teach more theory.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think that the three of them attracted a much younger audience than they were aiming for, and they've kinda started trying to make things easier for that audience to understand (although that's not exactly an excuse for Hakim who makes very historically-oriented stuff).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Yeah thats where im more critical, Hakim definitely doesn't have the same well-read punch he used to

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hakim's quality definitely went downhill. When was the last time he released a book recommendation video? I also don't like how his newer videos are just him recycling his older videos that he has hidden(?). I feel like the newer recycled videos has less info compared with the original older videos, but I don't have them to compare.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

its also very like... idk... drama seeking vibe? Like he wants to 'own the libs' and not just make communist content. I definitely prefer his older vibe.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Lots of good answers in the thread.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago

Alot highly upvoted bad ones too

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Not beating the cracker allegations

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

The actual top answers to the questions seem to be reasonable tbh. IDK what you're getting at here.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The near 300 plus upvotes, also the comments under the comment you linked are dogshit culturalist nonsense

That is seriously the problem. All black American idols are just capitalist scum, and consumer fetishism runs rampant in all poor communities, but particularly black ones. People like Killer Mike and JayZ are hailed as heroes for buying properties in their hoods just to charge exorbitant rent, further gentrifying their own community. Jayz literally rapped about doing just that and people love it.

Rappers run black communities and black people are the most consumer obsessed demographic in America; stunning analysis, total mirror to reality and not the most white-brained reductive Bill Maher level take

We're five years out from the 2020 rebellions and "leftists" are still spitting out these condescending takes, incredible

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

What have conservatives been losing their shit about the past ten years

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Why don't black people organize? Are they stupid? Is there a lore reason for it?