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UPDATE: Proposal approved, see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/36484194 for policy change announcement.


Ahoy me hearties!

We were thinking this might be a good test run topic for instance voting in our [email protected] community. Please be patient with us if anything breaks or isn't working properly. Feedback is welcome.

The voting topic

Given the current political backdrop and recent video of Elon Musk performing clearly identifiable Nazi salutes at the Presidential inauguration, some communities have started banning all links to X/Twitter. A couple of examples I noticed yesterday:

The vote is on whether our instance should follow suit and implement an instance-wide ban on X/Twitter links in posts and comments.

I've noticed some people suggesting allowing screenshots to still be used (e.g. for memes). Feel free to drop a comment if you have an opinion on that.

How to vote

Simply upvote or downvote this post. The /0 Bot will automatically calculate and update a tally of votes every 15 mins or so according to the voting rules (so don’t expect instant updates). An upvote is counted in favour of the resolution. A downvote is counted as against the resolution.

Note regarding crossposting: please be aware that only votes on the original post in [email protected] will be counted.

When to vote

Voting starts as of now. We'll close voting once the flow of votes stops - not sure exactly when that will be yet, but I'd like to keep the topic open for at least 2 or 3 days (maybe a week?) to give everyone a chance to vote.

Who can vote

TLDR here is that anyone can vote, but your votes will be weighted differently depending if you are a financial supporter, local instance member or external instance member.

As discussed in the announcement post, the initial plan was that only stakeholders can vote and open threads. That now includes everyone who is supporting us with any monthly donation amount.

Voting rights have also been extended so that votes of other local instance members who otherwise have no voting rights will be accounted at a rate of 1/100 from a random sample of up to 1000 of their votes. This means that a vote can go up to max +/- 10 from local community votes and it’s a fractional count (i.e. +1.1, or -0.7) which should make the local community sentiment an excellent tiebreaker, without overwhelming the people who are directly supporting the instance. Furthermore, I decided to display the “outsider sentiment” which is votes from non-valid-voting users from other instances. The outsider sentiment is only flavour (“Positive”, “Negative” etc) and is disregarded from the total. This is just shown for reference of the outsider sentiment which I think might be useful.

What constitutes a successful vote on a topic?

We are totally open to debate on this. I was thinking for this topic, a 2/3 majority vote would be a good target to aim for so we can be certain the community vote represents a clear majority of our users' opinions.

My thinking here is that if some topics are split close to 50/50 then achieving a 51% vote for example does not produce a clear mandate and may simply cause unnecessary division.

Having said that, I acknowledge a 2/3 majority is an arbitrary choice, but unless we implement a more complex voting system hopefully it is "good enough" to indicate a clear majority. As mentioned previously, feedback is very welcome and we will review and make adjustments where necessary.

Community participation

I strongly encourage all our instance members as well as subscribers from different instances to vote on this topic. If we only get a small handful of votes it's not going to be very representative of overall sentiment. This is a test run, so if things don't work out in terms of participation we will re-assess and perhaps revisit the topic.#

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[–] lindicks 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Allow screenshots. "Important" people post crazy shit there, and it's nice to keep an eye on them from time to time.

I say allow links because I haven't noticed them as being too common, so it's not really a problem? I do avoid clicking on Xitter links though; IIRC they show an annoying login modal, then when you click that off, they only show the post with no context, so they're not very useful.

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[–] alnitak 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm quite new here (hello everyone!), but I think banning twitter links is in line with the community's principles, and it shows a level of solidarity with other communities and instances doing the same.

On a more practical note, I feel like there is a good chance if this movement becomes widespread enough, it will get some news coverage, which could increase awareness and help bring like minded individuals (and trolls probably, but I suspect that's nothing new) to the instance.

This seems like a largely symbolic gesture though, so I don't have an issue with screenshots.

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[–] VARXBLE 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Fuck any site that requires an account/subscription to view content.

But fuck Elons shitty site the most. Full support for banning links.

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[–] MrPoopyButthole 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I've never had a Twitter account so I vote get rid of it.

[–] div0 2 points 4 months ago
[–] VolumetricShitCompressor 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I would suggest that you set a fixed voting period in the future. This makes the process more transparent. Maybe a week or two in general for each decision. With a proper announcement prior, make a week or three day before coting may start.

[–] Flatworm7591 3 points 4 months ago

I wasn't sure how many votes we would get for this first vote, so wasn't sure how long to leave it open for. I left it at the default of 7 days. But we already have a good representative sample of local users. As of today we've had 269 local upvotes vs 20 downvotes so there's really no chance at this stage of a change to the result, especially since we only had a handful of extra votes since yesterday. We also need some agility to make decisions in a reasonable timeframe.

Fortunately though, so long as we have an adequate sample size of our active users then we can be reasonably confident in the results, statistically speaking. But I'd like to make sure everyone who wants to vote gets a chance to vote, so I do like your idea of advanced notice :)

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[–] Sivecano 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I do think, that screenshots have a place especially since they may also be older. I also think it would be a pain to police and maybe a bit too much censorship.

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[–] roscoe 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Would this also ban xcancel links?

[–] Flatworm7591 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think that's up for debate too. What are your thoughts?

[–] roscoe 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If denying them add revenue is one of the main reasons, using xcancel does that. I also get a small amount of satisfaction getting around the douchebag's best efforts to get people on his platform.

I've never had a Twitter account so I've used xcancel, or it's predecessors, ever since they stopped letting people without an account see replies.

[–] db0 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

I think it's not just an income thing, otherwise an adblocker would suffice. It's to prevent giving a platform to nazis. It's the reason why we wouldn't allow people linking to stormfront as a matter of course.

[–] roscoe 4 points 4 months ago

That makes sense.

I suppose the fewer people that link to it or engage in any way, the sooner it dies.

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[–] fxomt 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think nitter/image links should be allowed, but direct links to twitter should be banned.

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[–] dethedrus 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No on links, yes on screenshots.

I don't think we are doing much if any to amplify their message, but I think it's safest to watch their the fourth reich play out from a distance. As best we can.

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[–] S_H_K 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Until when the vote is held? I want to support but I can't right now.

[–] Flatworm7591 2 points 4 months ago

I think we'll keep it open for a few days, no rush.

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[–] zaknenou 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

tbh I upvoted before reading the whole thing, than took it back. I just want to see the final result without interacting

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