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bro wake up, they overthrew that government in response LMAO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyxSqeFrlp0
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52953610?scrollToComments=true

I am finally taking a look at the Qiao Collective's (so long ~~ ) megathread. I wouldn't say that it answers all my fears, but most of them are cleared for the present, thank you. I'd choose this as the accepted answer if this was stackexchange.

A big part of the subjects in our long subthread is speculation. I speculated that the procedures seem ignorant and unnecessarily oppressive, while you speculate the opposite. I admitted that I can't deny your claim that I'm pretty unaware of the different colors of culture in Xinjiang, but I still view my assumptions as justified.
As a side note: Even if China actually dealt well with the problem, which the results do seem to suggest, the practice of censoring should be met with suspicion and doubt.

You may consult: Qur’an 2:219, 4:43, 5:90–91, in my view you are treating Islam as "culture" instead of "religious science". If you think it normal for Muslims to drink Alcohol, you need at least some kind of school of juri ("fiqh") to support this. I said that I'm from Algeria, and it is the norm that whoever you meet never drunk wine (well, now this country is getting ruined with drugs though). I don't see how "Muslims never drink alcohol ==> Islamophobic", like when I accuse someone that they abstain from harming their mind, is it a bad thing to say about them ?
Yes I am being selective, since you seem to punish speculations I tried to answer only things that I'm confident of.

I need to point a reason why I might be getting aggressive here myself: you have the habit of throwing insults when you "correct" the other party like a punishment, I see why you would pick that habit for debates, but not for conversations. And I admit that my responses were harsher though.

leaders partaking doesn't mean it stops being a sin, it is a common occurrence in Islamic history that leaders lean to forbidden earthly pleasures ---> the state gets unjust and weak --> falls. And you can find a scholar's opinion that makes anything acceptable by now, I wouldn't take that "many" is an accurate use of the word here. The idea of "Islam ==> wine is forbidden" is not Islamophobia, harassment is bad of course. Of course not that I'm saying "drinks wine to intoxication ==> out of Islam", it is a matter of jurisprudence, not theology.
TL;DR: Common Khomeini W.

I guess it can't be helped with the tone of your answers. I can't deny your evidence, but it is really weird that they serve wine "traditionally !?".

the fact that you think Taliban and Salafism are related is being uninformed. Taliban follows the Hanafi jurisprudence and the Maturidi school of theology, both are from the first three centuries of Islam, while salafis are kind of recent reformists who think nobody understood monotheism in the last millennia (the perfect example of western fabrication).
Also Taliban expelled both USSR and USA, both were colonialists to the people of Afghanistan. While ISIS only ever fought against Muslims (their first enemy was The Free Syrian Army which was actually close to ending the conflict in Syria years ago). Aren't you now putting labels on people cuz they look similar ?

I have already explained that Uyghurs have traditional coed dancing traditions as well as segregated. You can easily verify this if you would like

and I ask for source, doing simple search for "Uyghur weddings" brings me to this project: https://www.youtube.com/@uyghurmeshrepproject8697/videos , and I don't see an example of coed dancing. In my view you see people dancing together and you think "yeah they're treating them well, building some integration for the individual", but I see only shame, humiliation and erasure of culture in that, almost like a scene from the manga that I mentioned. And now that I think about it, if China wasn't so idiotically secretive and closed, my search would have been easier.

Are you immune to propaganda? What is the right and honest way to handle this?

I don't know.

I've tried to go there, it is called "Xiaohongshu" right ? I tried to write something on search, but required to sign up with a Chinese phone number it seems ?

Suddenly you are familiar with “the playbook”? How long have you known this “playbook”?

Am I using the word in a wrong way ?

This answer is like a bad apple in the bunch, you know this is Lemmy and not Reddit, and I'm coming from dbzer0 not lemmy.world? I don't know if it is my weak knowledge on English or you don't realize, but this answer seems to me unnecessarily aggressive, and assuming that I'm pro amerikka or something.

If I don't like how something looks, I'll just say it, I don't care if the AIPAC empire did worse. And I expected fellow muslims to look like: they're described in Qur'an, Hadith, and my daily life in Algeria. I see the same atmosphere present in Afghanistan's videos so I naturally assume it is the norm. I wish you supplied source instead of insults.

The problem is not with the editing. The problem is that men and women dancing and singing together in happiness is literally just appealing to westerners, being of similar culture to Uyghurs I'd only be part of this practice as a humiliation ritual. If they knew what "harmony" looks like to Muslims, the atmosphere would have been at least similar to Taliban's propaganda videos, where women have their own space where they have their own practices and taught by a fellow woman, or they appear in videos with their scarf.

Another thing that went passive but is really huge is when the guy at 00:32 was asked how often he prays and he answered with the playbook "China's laws define schools as public places. And in public places religious activities are not allowed". Anyone familiar with Muslims knows that they pray 5 times a day as obligation, like at the very least 200 million Muslims keep this defining practice, the guy being made to answer like this is straight up persecution for his religion,
and it shows the Chinese officials don't even know what they're dealing with, they're like "yeah it's another religion where they have a day of practices every week".

The worst part is that the officials basically admitted that they took these people based on predictions ? Like even if we ignore the ethical dilemma, you want me to believe that statistics&probability predicts which person will commit crime with ? That's like a book example of bad math imo.