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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

It’s actually:

  1. US 42.8 bn

  2. Germany 7.5 bn

  3. UK 6.6 bn

  4. EU Institutions 5.6 bn

  5. Poland 3 bn

(This list is military aid only.)

Getting a bit tired of the Poland strong propaganda.
Source: Ukraine Support Tracker, ifw Kiel.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Do you also believe a flat tax is fair?

Country, Spend, GDP, % of GDP

Poland, 3, 679.4, 0.44%

US, 42.8, 23320, 0.18%

Germany, 7.5, 4260, 0.18%

UK, 6.6, 3131, 0.21%

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Then Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania would be top three in that order with Poland only paying half as much in %GDP as Estonia

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

Estonia 💪💪💪💪💪💪

[–] hemko 21 points 2 years ago

Baltics have special hatred on vatniks

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Do you also believe a flat tax is fair?

I think you might be looking for the term "head tax", as in each person pays a fixed amount regardless of any other characteristics.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Were doing what we can. I wouldn't call it propaganda. Please also consider each country GDP. Everyone have limited resources. Poland GDP is 5 times smaller than Germany or Japan and 36 times smaller than US

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

The US also is kind of built up to be able to almost single handedly be NATO. Our defensive strategies involve using EU countries as bases. We have a vastly different goal with our military stockpiles. (Other than making defense contractors money I mean.)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Well it is when the piss party is trying to convince everyone that Poland is the only country in the EU really helping, especially vs Germany.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

This is military aid only.

Yes, it literally says "Military aid" at the top

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Edited my comment to clarify that I meant my list. Overall aid would look different US > EU > UK > Germany > Japan > Canada > Poland

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Also the EU funds are mainly paid for by the net-payers in the EU Like france, Germany etc.

Also the estimated value for the old polish Tank that we're transfered was weirdly high

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They're probably old numbers in the comic. Do you have per capita aid figures? Rough calculations say

US $130/p

Germany $90/p

UK $99/p

EU Institutions $13/p (this one is weird since countries are also contributing separately?)

Poland $79/p

Aid as a share of GDP would also be interesting.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

On the source website there is quite a bit more. The EU stuff is funded by a share of approximately .2 % of GDP by all EU members in addition to their individual aid.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's an old comic dude. Also you're missing the joke as well as any historical context.

Poland has been through the wringer for centuries and even ceased existing for a while. Having some issues and hating Russia are some of the least unlikely results.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Idc, I could die for the glory of Poland

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

It probably swings back toward the scenario depicted if you divide the amount given by the total amount that those countries have available to give, but yeah, good to keep real figures in mind while we have our fun.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago

I really miss those countryballs.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Poland being based as always

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Poland is almost never "based". Source - am a Pole.

This is the exception, solidarity with Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Can confirm. I'm a Pole too.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Oh sorry to hear that :-/ I forgot I wasn't on r/2visegrad4you

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Old joke.

Reporter is interviewing a Polish general. "If Poland were to be attacked by Germany and Russia at the same time, which army would you go after first.?'

'The Germans.'

'Why?'

'Business before pleasure.'

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A classic. Along with:

A Polish man finds a genie in a lamp, who gives him three wishes. The Polish man thinks, then says, "I wish the Mongols would pillage their way into Poland, and then go back home to Mongolia." The genie, confused, complies, and Poland is ravaged by the Mongol hordes.

"Again." the Polish man says. Dutifully, the genie obeys, sending the Mongols across the steppe to pillage Poland again.

"Again!" the Polish man cries.

The genie complies, but at long last, cannot hold his tongue. "You could have had anything!" the genie says, "Why wish for the Mongols to pillage your own country?"

The Polish man smiles and taps his head. "Ah, but to get to Poland and back to Mongolia, they have to pillage their way through Russia twice."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Ooooh, I forgot that one!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

They don't really send the best stuff, but old stuff that would be decommissioned.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

When "the old stuff we were gonna just sell on eBay" tops the enemy's "top of the most corrupt line in the world" then that's really a misleading statement.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The amazing part is how the Ukrainian front lines use the old stuff to such great effect. Imagine if they had new stuff like ATACMs?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Hopefully soon. If they allow atacms, Germany will also give taurus.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Zapierdol these jebane kurwy please.