He’s already doing what putin wants, driving the US and NATO countries apart
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Death to NATO. Its an objectively good thing for humanity. I don't care if your boogey man also wants it, its a good thing
I'd prefer not to be at war with Russia, thanks
Just bc you aren't on the battle field doesn't mean you aren't at war with Russia. The US and NATO are just using Ukrainians to fight their war
Russia could end this fight any day it wants.
Absolute 
Because Ukrainians don't have agency and only want to keep their own culture and language because some empire tells them to /s
I didn't say that at all
You can both be exploited and have agency. The actions of the Ukrainian government also does not reflect the will of its people anymore to be clear.
If you're in the US, you already are lol
But I'm not sure what that has to do with the fact that NATO should be dissolved
I'm not in the US
It has to do with the fact that my country exists because NATO protects it. Russia violates our airspace regularly.
my country exists because NATO protects it.
Then "your country" shouldn't exist. Its just a US vassal at that point anyway
As opposed to the Russian vassal it would've been if not?
Far better if the NATO backed coup that dissolved the USSR hadn't happened
k man
All Russia has to do is stop being aggressive to its neighbors and NATO will automatically start falling apart. NATO support before Russia invaded Ukraine was decreasing.
All Russia has to do is stop being aggressive to its neighbors and NATO will automatically start falling apart
Then why was it that when the Russian Federation asked to join NATO back in the 90's they were refused?
What about when the Soviet Union asked to join back in like '48 was it denied?
Because it exists to be aggressive toward designated enemies of the US
Then why was it that when the Russian Federation asked to join NATO back in the 90's they were refused?
Do you have a source for this? I can't find any reference apart from a random interview given by Putin.
What about when the Soviet Union asked to join back in like '48 was it denied?
It was in '54. It's hard to know why it was rejected since all those conversations are classified, but publically it was stated that Russia's lack of democracy was the cause. I'm sure US hatred of communism had an influence.
Though I'm not sure that USSR had honest intentions of being a long term member instead of using it as opportunity to sabotage the treaty that would be negative for their interests in the works at the time.
I'm sure US hatred of communism had an influence.
You think?
Anyway. Merry Christmas Lib
There would probably be a manufactured excuse to keep it around. It seems like that’s already happening with the hyping up of a potential conflict with China.
I like that you're sharing your opinion. I just want more information about it, so I can either agree or disagree. What about dissolving NATO would be "Good for humanity"?
Considerimg what's literally happening right now, literally today, that's a pretty hot take.
Considering NATO has been an enemy to humanity since its creation, its about as cold of a take as you can get
NATO is literally a Nazi organization
NATO is just one manifestation of military industrial complex. Just getting rid of it without any global change it would be net negative for the humanity.
The primary issue with NATO is that it's often misused by US for its own personal needs.
The primary purpose of NATO is to maintain western hegemony over the global south to better extract resources and profit from it. It being gone is a net good
Yes, the primary issue I mention is the purpose you are talking about. Thank you for repeating what I said. It being disbanded wouldn't automatically be net positive, since despite the issues it creates, it does serve other valid purposes. You need to address systemic issues, not manifestations of those issues to solve anything. Because if not NATO, it would be another 4 letter organization doing exactly the same thing by exactly the same people.
it does serve other valid purposes
Name one
- Standardization of military equipment and protocols, so that each NATO country can operate the same equipment without needing re-training.
- Unified communication infrastructure for instant information sharing during wartime period.
- Protection from Russia's imperialism and stated goal of reunification of former USSR territories.
- Containment of Germany following their demilitarization.
How is any of that positive for humanity?
Because any war leads to human losses, so prevention of war is a good thing, not bad.
NATO does not prevent war. The term "defensive pact" is bullshit. NATO has always been a geopoltical aggressor. Its an appendage if US empire
Don’t you hate it when your war prevention alliance has been at war for thirty years straight
Its literally the worst war prevention alliance ever, but of course, the actual purpose of a thing is what it does
You are arguing against something I haven't said. Yes, US missuses NATO for their own purposes, I stated that in the first comment in this thread...
But that won't change just because NATO gets disbanded without changing the systemic issues that created NATO in the first place. Because it will just be re-born under a different name with the same stated goals and the same US in the driver seat. So instead of that lets address the root causes so that NATO becomes obsolete and makes it useless vehicle hence preventing US from using it as a vehicle for their aggression and imperialism.
the systemic issues that created NATO in the first place
The systemic issue that created it in the furst place is US imperialism. The US doesn't misuse NATO because its will is the only point of NATO.
What do you think the systemic issue is? You keep refering to it without naming it and act as if it deflects critisism of NATO instead of condemning it, which does not seem obvious to me.
What do you think the systemic issue is?
Read the full comment. It literally answers it.
<...> act as if it deflects critisism of NATO instead of condemning it <...>
Nowhere did I deflect from the harm NATO has done. It's your position that maintaining status quo is preferable to addressing the root cause since it's fine with you if new NATO is born with a new name (lets call it MATO) as long as NATO specifically is dead.
Read the full comment. It literally answers it.
No it doesnt. You just say systemic issues and root causes and that they need to be addressed, you never say what they are. I said what i think the issue is its the US, i have no clue what you think it is
It's your position that maintaining status quo is preferable to addressing the root cause since it's fine with you if new NATO is born with a new name (lets call it MATO) as long as NATO specifically is dead.
That's not my position lol. That's the most overly simplistic read of my saying Death to NATO you could possibly take. "Death to NATO - I'm totally for the status quo though just as long as its not called NATO." I wonder what you think it means when we say Death to America lol
Name one negative consequence of the dissolution of NATO
Ask the Poles how the Soviets treated them
Don’t trust the Poles? Ask any number of victim countries brutalized.
That ‘boogeyman’ ex-KGB is doing it today to Ukraine…
After Trump's comment, if I was the Greenland PM, I would order Pituffik Space Base closed immediately. It's not safe to keep US military personnel on Greenland soil anymore.
I'm not fully sure the PM of Greenland even gets to decide on something like that as it is an autonomous region of Denmark, while autonomous it is still a colonial region of a European country that is in NATO, Trump annexing them would only hurt their people, but don't be mistaken it is not a sovereign country currently, most of it's diplomatic relations take place in Copenhagen
That was my first thought. But that is just what putin wants, and probably why he told the useful idiot to say this.
Greenland was getting this anyway. Clickbait headline tying it to Trump.
oh thanks