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[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 years ago

Stop the war

[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Here’s a map of the global freedom status, and Russia seems to be in the same group with most of Africa Middle East and Asia. Considering this context, the news article doesn’t seem surprising at all. Just another sad day in Russia.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The makers of this map, Freedom House, receive funding mainly from the US government. They also took money from BAE Systems, Britain's biggest arms manufacturer.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And your point would be...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

The argument would be that their findings are therefore somehow tainted and unreliable. However, without any evidence that this is so, simply pointing it out as if it's some kind of "gotcha" is in fact fallacious, as you suggest.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yeah, well it might not be the best source, but at least they have a map that measures something interesting. The second best option would have been the map of press freedom index. It’s not quite the same things and it isn’t entirely relevant to the conversation either, but there you go. At least it tells you something about the attitude different countries have towards the media, which may or may not be associated with the attitude towards activists. This map also paints a slightly more nuanced picture, but the conclusion is largely the same as before.

See also: Wikipedia

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

Ukraine's being yellow is just wrong. It doesn't really matter if it's fair, but with the ongoing war and the effects of it on the society and its attitudes towards press the color should be orange.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Well, there's less bias typical for UK-funded sources than usual. At least Azerbaijan is not the same color as Armenia (thought the UK seem to have made a 180-degree turn on that conflict in the last couple of weeks, while keeping the same "formal""legal" position).

Ah, that's OT, about Russia - it would be purple on that map even before 2008.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I don't doubt this as it's happened to others, but Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty is a literal CIA mouthpeice and tends to make stuff up.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

I searched for her name and despite the RFE article being a week old, no other more credible outlets have picked up on it. Maybe other outlets are using a different romanization of her name but this is certainly a red flag.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

It literally isn't. RFE is definitely a US propaganda platform, but it objectively has nothing to do with the CIA these days. But you should probably check under your bed one more time just to make sure.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

RFE also "objectively" had nothing to do with the CIA for nearly 20 years after it was created, at which point it turned out the CIA had been funding it all along. But now we know they've stopped because they said they did, and anyone suggesting that they're not editorially independent is a paranoid loon, just as they would've been in the 50's and 60's.

Some of us don't believe that the people whose job it is to lie stopped lying because they said they did. Suggesting that the CIA is still doing things that they did regularly and successfully kept hidden in the past is not a conspiracy theory.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Preach! 🙌

[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago (1 children)

RFE is definitely a US propaganda platform, but™️

That's all you need to know. Scrap the whole source.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

IDK it might be beneficial to know if it's ANOTHER one of the 15 intelligence agencies the US operates...

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Why? What possible reason could you have to belive they just turned over a new leaf?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago

"The CIA said that they don't have anything to do with Radio Free anymore so it must be true."

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 years ago

The CIA routinely funds groups covertly. As is the case with RFE, we are often able to confirm this covert funding decades later.

A main purpose of the CIA is to obscure what groups the U.S. supports. Did they just stop doing their job one day?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 years ago

sourced directly from the fertile fields of your ass

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Compared to Russian sources radio free liberty is a baron of truth and press accountability, so frankly it does not matter.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

A shitty source not being the absolute worst source doesn't make it any less shitty than it is. If your only options for news are US government propaganda or Russian government propaganda, the only valid choice is to stop following the news.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Link this whenever people tell you posting doesn't matter.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Did the war stop?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago

At least she didn't jump out of the window 🌝

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

I'm more interested in her secret to staying young

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How on Earth is the US green 😭

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Who in US has been sentenced to prison for internet posts?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That one guy who said he was gonna kill a sheriff in Minecraft

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Whoa. https://kotaku.com/minecraft-death-threat-4chan-pol-shooter-arrested-cops-1850241929

Ok, standing corrected here although I feel death threats are not exactly the same thing as what happened in Russia.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah i was just being pedantic lol

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Internet posts?! This is why online discussions are ridiculously stupid. A classic argument over semantics about Internet posts, when so many people have been censored for speaking out against the government. Anybody that thinks the US is a bastion of freedom has bought into the propaganda. The idea that the US can critique anybody about this tickles me. Green my ass