Wow that's why more efficient than this
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Which, from what I understand, a lot of advanced farm machinery already is semi-automated, with vehicles driving themselves using gps and satnav.
Combine harvesters follow a yield-centric, oil-hungry model of agriculture, using wheat bred specifically to be harvested with a combine. If we want to fix food systems we need to embrace food and soil biodiversity, and so far, most wheat varieties that do that require less intensive forms of harvest, not necessarily manual, but not a large combine either.
The problem is that through like 98% of human history, the solution has been to throw human labor at the problem, with most innovations improving labor efficiency or making farm work less harsh. With the advent of the industrial revolution the peasantry was proletarianized and forced to move to the cities, leaving whoever was left to do agriculture to apply the same profit motive to agriculture, instead of imagining a more human-sized agriculture.
It's very funny that it's a humanoid robot and not some kind of god awful techno-centipede with fifteen pairs of arms harvesting whole sections of rows at once or something.
Anthropomorphic robots are such a failure of imagination. I understand the real world advantages but if you're going to dream dream weird.
I read that anthroporphism in servant robots is something rich technocrats push because its a another way to own and command people.
some kind of god awful techno-centipede with fifteen pairs of arms harvesting whole sections of rows at once or something
this is the kind of thinking we want under future socialism, we will take brutalism to whole new lengths chuds could never imagine on their own
if it's not human-shaped how will I feel like a feudal lord watching subordinate wretches work for me?
You don't even need to imagine some kind of god awful techno-centipede, combine harvesters exist and can already be programmed to follow gps routes.
Combine harvesters are also designed to harvest wheat varieties that have been bred to be harvested with a combine and dependant on synthetic fertilizers and that require all biodiversity in the area to disappear. More nutritious and environmentally friendly wheat varieties have existed for most of human history, along with the knowledge to cultivate them and not deplete the soil or destroy the soil microflora, but they can't be harvested mechanically, so they're disappearing. Developing robots that enhance the action of humans (not replace them) is better in my opinion than forcing the loss of food biodiversity to fit one method of harvesting.
what's the real world advantages of antropomorphic design? Genuinely asking, best I can come up with is niche SAR Robot
Infrastructure already made for humanoids so you don't need to change it.
You could have like an autonomous mini-combine-harvester and that would still beat the fuck out of the human robot here. And like every other example I can think of.
I'm all for robots doing all the dangerous, dirty, boring and otherwise undesirable work that humans do. I think the big problem here is that in a neoliberal society this just means that the people who would be doing shit work for shit wages are now welcome to curl up and die while the owners of the robotic laborers reap all the benefits. Capitalism simply isn't equipped to deal with the consequences of full automation in a way that's even remotely beneficial to the working class.
FALGSC now!
Despite AI being recent, this problem is very well documented in Marxist literature for over a century. Based on the organic composition of capital, the two forms of capital is constant (nature, machines, etc.) and variable capital (workers). When you automate work, that means more variable capital becomes constant capital. But that also means that you can't exploit it like you exploit humans through surplus value. So while it makes sense in the short term for capitalists, this is also a factor that leads to an economic crisis and everything that follows it.
AI being recent
So, slight nitpick: the thing youre calling AI was invented in pretty much its current form by Turing and Minsky in like 1951. This shit is damn near 75 years old, closer to the first use of a nuclear weapon in war than we are to Hilary Clinton getting her ass beat by trump. The first LLM ran on vacuum tubes. These things predate the integrated circuits we use today by several years. As does their abandonment by actual smart people. I think the first ones literally ran on vacuum tubes (yes MOSFETs existed, but I think tubes were still in use?)
Also, it's not AI, it will never be AI, it will never lead to AI, and it is possibly the largest extant obstacle to the development of AI.
Agreed though. Capitalists love them some slaves. it's not even just functional; the power, the exploitation, it gets them off, validates their existence. It really is pederasty and cocaine all the way down.
Eternal reminder that ELIZA, the first chatbot, ran on an array of potatoes and people still believed it was sentient.
And it was all a joke because some guy was annoyed with Freudian psychotherapy grifters and, correctly, thought that a simple machine could do their job.
Mathematically yes, but the ability to store and transmit such a large amount of information for learning models to work practically is fairly recent.
AI in the deterministic algorithm sense is truly very old though.
They did the math determining that it was a dead end. They were right. Yes it requires a certain bigness of data set to function, but after that the returns diminish logarithmically. It basically peaks at the software I'm using to type this on my phone. These massive data centers may as well be using that energy and water to breed monkeys and make typewriters.
There are other niche uses, but this is mostly it.
Yeah. The neo-liberal goal for automation is the Terminator dark future where robots can produce wealth for a tiny ruling class while the now surplus working class is exterminated.
Automation is for disciplining labor and reducing the size of the classes that threaten capital.
Not for increasing efficiency quality or quantity of production! What even is this commie bullshit?
Being someone who actually works in manufacturing automation, I completely disagree that it doesn't increase efficiency or quantity of production. It absolutely does both of those things. It has to be part of a larger ergonomic line process improvements though, automation on it's own is just a tool on the line. In many cases where management wants to use automation, more efficiency can be found in things like better, more obvious tool layouts, or better peripheral order scheduling.
As for quality? Kinda, process understanding and replication is by far the largest determinate of quality, which automation can improve, but only with regular maintenance which most companies are loathe to do properly.
What automation mostly does is 'reduce' the level of skill required by floor operators to create a product) even though operators generally have to learn to work with and around the ghosts in the machine), allowing for management to justify not giving out pay raises to them. Same as it ever was for any Tayloristic endeavor.
When did people stop dreaming of cool robot arms?
Remember being obsessed with them when I was a kid. All this humanoid robot stuff is so lame.
I blame sci fi authors being hacks.
Slavery fetish. Its a thing.
I'm all for the physical and mental labor distinction fading away over time, but I have the feeling that a humanoid robot is a really inefficient way of solving this with robotics. Like isn't this exactly part of what a modern tractor does?
It does that, and more over a larger area and faster.
If anything, you could find a way to get these giant mfs to drive on their own with some remote instructions maybe, but I guess that doesn't scratch some people's itch of owning humans and having them harvest wheat one by one
Oh... the really REALLY expensive ones are.
Word. How much does a cutting edge combine cost now? Like a million us dollars or somethjing?
While I'm a pretty heavy autonomous cars skeptic, autonomous farm machinery is much more reasonable and much closer.
There's a few companies already producing test combine harvesters for example and there's been at least one farm here in the UK which is staffed by researchers working to make it 100% autonomous, with quite a bit of success. There's also been pretty big jumps in harvesting robots and complete indoor argriculture systems. But all of it is either automated versions of contemporary farm vehicles or production-line like arm robots for growing indoors.
Advanced farm machinery is semi-autonomous right now. It's really really cool and also a critical point of tension in capitalism as the needs of farmers, ag megacorps, heavy industry firms, and people who eat food are all pulling in different directions.
eh, a tractor requires a shitton of roads, huge open fields and monoculture. robots like this could use the same walking infrastructure that people use. with these, we could plant three sisters type stuff instead of modern monocolture agriculture.
so yeah, it's goofy but also not quite the same as a combine harvester
One factor in soil erosion is actually the problem that the weight and vibration of tractors, packing the earth and messing up the balance of worms, bacteria, etc in the soil.
I'm aware the image is only to convey the concept of automation but legged robots in contexts where legs would be bad irrationally annoy me
That robot would be wildly over complex and prone to failure compared to just giving it tracks
That robot would be wildly over complex and prone to failure compared to just giving it tracks
Copying some of the worst design failures in humans because it lets me feel like a feudal lord
Imagine looking at the millions of years of evolution it took to get a bipedal design that works good enough and going "yeah, that's what we should emulate."
When God's perfect quadripedal design already exists.
The robot will be living in a little metal hut, sit on a chair during any downtime and sleep in a bed to re-charge.
Hey, at least they’re thinking robots should do undesirable work instead of them doing the art and us all becoming self-employed farmers or some shit.
We already have robots to do this, they just use wheels instead of legs.
Its not like these things can pick tomatoes yet.
This shit cracks me up. If/when automation is fully used for ag, it's definitely not gonna look like humanoid slave robots. What sort of chud fantasy is this?
Soo, just a generic "pesant robot" from Futurama. All that's missing is the headscarf, superstition and broken English.
Sure.
Yet somehow people will still go hungry.
We are very special like that.