Saw this video about the problem, I didn't know sewage was flushed into the river alongside the storm waters
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Well a good number of the swimmers have built up an immunity since the Rio de Janeiro Olympics. It’s just good training philosophy in the modern age. Let’s see if that gives them an edge, Tom.
I didn’t know sewage was flushed into the river alongside the storm waters
With combined sewers (sewers that handle wastewater and storm water in the same pipes), it's generally not that they're just flushing sewage into the river; it's that they're trying to run all the water -- wastewater and stormwater -- through the water treatment plants but failing when the rainfall is too much. The portion they can't handle overflows into the river.
Combined sewers are pretty common in areas with older infrastructure. Atlanta, for instance, has recently been forced by a court's consent decree to spend something like $4 billion fixing (among other things) overflows from the combined sewer system downtown in order to clean up the Chattahoochee River and South River.
(Incidentally, that's the cost to build gigantic overflow tunnels capable of handling extreme rain events, just like Paris is doing -- properly rebuilding the sewer system downtown to handle wastewater and stormwater separately would have been even more expensive.)
Considering how France is now banning certain women’s outfits in school, I have no interest in whatever splash they make hosting.
*banning systematic oppression of women
There, fixed that for ya
That’s not how it works. I know multiple Muslim women who wear headscarves and abayas without anyone pressuring them to do so. Blanket banning that is taking away their rights; where does it end? Do we ban all marriages because some women are pressured into one?
They don't can women from wearing them - just children that usually wear whatever their parents want them to wear without having a choice.
It's about making a conscious decision while also removing as much religion from schools as possible
It doesn’t end in schools, the far right is also banning them from government property and fining women who cover their face in public.
Why would women want to cover their face in public?
Some women do because it’s considered Mustahab, they do it out of a desire to get extra credit from God. Others do it because they want a sense of privacy, as in they only show their face to their family.
It’s sometimes hard for non-Muslims to grasp but they want to be judged based on their ideas and speech and not by their looks. A lot of western society won’t take women seriously if they don’t put makeup on or dress a certain way, and this is pushing back on that mindset.
Women are taught since childhood that if they don't cover themselves they will go to hell (basically), so when people say "they are not forced, they do it because they want", its because they are taught if they dont do it, they are going to be punished.
You wouldn't send a kid in a bikini and makeup to school, right? So why is the other option not wrong too?
Again that’s not true. Go talk to some Muslims before you just repeat false stereotypes.
And even if that were true that people do things for their religion, why is it your business? Are you going to force us to eat pork, like some French far right extremists are calling for?
Im going to force you to accept homosexuality, yes.
Is that what this has been about in your mind? We can’t freely wear what we want because you want to force your politics on others?
Politics? I dont want to be beaten up or killed on the streets because in holding hands with my partner.
You calling it politics shows what you really think about homosexuality.
Glad of the decision of France and hope more west European countries follow them.
You’re being needlessly hyperbolic. You can hold hands with men in literally any and every Muslim country out there. It’s absolutely normal. But it’s quite telling how the false stereotypes in your mind work.
Sexuality is your hot button issue and religious freedom is mine. You’re demanding your opinion be respected while insulting mine. You’re fine with trying to force others to agree with you while I’m merely for letting people be free to wear what they want. Somehow you view that as a threat? Wearing longsleeves leads to homophobia in your crazy mind. France is only hurting itself and causing more conflict, you need to learn French history better to see how badly this will end.
A lot of Muslim countries have death penalty on homosexual, what are you even talking about?
Im not insulting you in any way. Dont compare the lgbt community to your religion. We are really fighting for freedom. You are fighting for women opression and punishment of homosexuality. Period.
A ton of countries have laws against homosexuality still on the books, i even lived in a Christian country that still jails for homosexual acts today, that’s not specific to Muslim ones. That still doesn’t invalidate my point that you can hold hands in public in Muslim communities and literally nobody cares. The only punishment is for open public sex acts in the presence of witnesses (also a crime in New York City), which is still better than Uganda or Jamaica lynching rumored gays. Stop singling out Muslims when American Muslims are statistically more likely to support LGBT rights than American Christians. I’m not your enemy despite all the misplaced ignorant hate you’re spewing here.
You’re being continuously insulting by first making this about you (French people can’t have religious freedom because people in OTHER countries behave in a way you hate) and ignoring everything I say just so you can talk past me and repeat your false and hateful stereotypes. Even the gay Muslims I know don’t approve of your idea to ban individual religious freedom. Grow up and peace.
Everytime i wear a rainbow object on me I got looks and insults from mid east guys. Just yesterday I was wearing a hat with a rainbow flag minding my own business and three men in three different ocassions called me homophobic slurs and kept looking at me with hate, and other mid east men stared at me as if I had something on my face, while other people of other races don't give a fuck. It is a lie that Muslims are accepting of homosexuality. Literally no mosque would hang a rainbow flag. During pride parades there are no Muslims to be seen. Right now you are a minority, but if you ever were a majority, im damn sure you are going to fight to remove homosexual rights, just like any outher muslim country. Literally look at the maps and you can see what countries criminalize lgbt people and what countries dont.
Literally there are no LGBT people insulting muslims. We all want peace, but wont have it with you, because you cant accept others not living under your religion.
It’s amazing how comfortable bigots like you can be in generalizing literally Billions of people. (Let alone the fact that you’re unwilling to admit that you were proven wrong about handholding.) There are mosques with rainbow flags, my own mosque gave a sermon on the importance of trans rights, and there’s Muslims at every NYC pride parade, but that doesn’t matter to you since you never bothered to look and would rather insist on your prejudices.
Literally there are no LGBT people insulting Muslims.
Not my experience at all. And there you go again with your stereotyping and prejudices. I’m clearly not getting through to someone as blind as you.
So any comments on the maps I showed or are you going to skip it because it doesnt fit your agenda?
Literally there are no LGBT people insulting Muslims.
Not my experience at all.
Yeah, right, we LGBT love to attack muslims /s. Go tell your dream stories to other people.
No children is choosing to wear it.
How many Muslim children have you spoken to? Seriously? You know nothing.
Kids want to imitate and be seen as adults; which is why Muslim boys want to grow beards even without any prompting and Muslim girls want to wear hijab because it’s also a sign they’ve matured. Sikh boys want to have beards and turbans for the same reason, and conservative Jewish boys want to have facial hair or a payess.
To these kids, you’re telling them they can’t look like their families in school and have to suppress their religion and culture. You’re singling them out and putting all the burden on them and not putting the same burden on the non-minority children. That’s the wrong way to do it.
If an adult wear provocative dresses or adult clothes, you would not let a child dress like that because their parents do.
All religious items are banned in schools in France, so just because you are minority, don't give you the right to not follow what others do.
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You genuinely don’t know that and are making assumptions. Talk to some Muslim families before you assume that’s how everyone is. Kids often proudly like to dress in cultural or ethnic clothing and since it’s start at a certain age they want to as a mark of maturity. It should be about choice and you seem unwilling to accept when people choose to wear things.
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Again you’re grossly overgeneralizing 2 Billion people as if we’re all alike. It’s still wrong and untrue. It’s like claiming Mexicans beat their wives or something. That’s just not the experience I’ve had after decades of living in Muslim communities. I hope you learn that someday.
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Again, you’re falsely assuming Islam is monolithic. I’ve read the entire Quran in both English and Arabic, please show me where the Quran says to kill people who become atheist. I’ll wait. It says God won’t accept it but there’s no earthly punishment listed.
And dude, I converted to Islam, so your condescending attempt at insult doesn’t work.
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That’s not what 2:54 says. Also that’s not at all what history shows. The city of Medina was under literal siege from the Meccans camped outside the city’s barriers. Anyone who publicly left Islam went out and joined the opposing army, so at the time they were executed for treason, not changing religions. Learn your history better, ask any history department rather than an anemic English Wikipedia page that lacks more Arabic sources.
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2:54 is quoting Moses talking to the children of Israel about how God forgave them for worshipping the call, it is not a command today about punishing people who change religions. Of all the ayaat to quote you used the least relevant one that said the literal opposite of what you claimed. No wonder you’re so misled, did you get that inaccurate one from Wikipedia too?
It’s not common knowledge, it’s a popular myth. The scholars are not saying what you’re claiming, which is why I suggested you find better sources than Wikipedia; the Arabic page and the English page don’t even agree.
I never once gave an opinion about evolution so you’re strawmanning me or lumping me in someone else. You don’t know me but keep acting like all Muslims are alike.
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Oh so now you’re trying to No True Scotsman me? Buddy I lead prayers at the mosque. You presume to educate me about my own religion? How many years have you studied it, pray tell? Show me your ijaza before you talk down to me. There’s nearly 2 Billion Muslims out there, of course there’s going to be various sects and interpretations, but you don’t care since you only accept the one that fits your hateful narrative, regardless of how many other Muslims oppose it.
The majority of the world’s Muslims live in democracies but that’s clearly not relevant to you since it doesn’t prove your prejudices. Go educate yourself.
It's just for schoolgirls and college students. It's not a nationwide ban. This move is just a pr move to gain far right votes, nothing more.
It's also showing those children that it's not bad if you're not wearing that kind of clothing.
If they want to use them as a cultural choice when they are adults that's fine - the problem is if they never new anything else as the default.
Putting a bird that knew freedom back in a cage is harder than keeping one caged all their life. It just makes it easier for those children to break out of their patriarchal structures
What a condescending message. It’s also sending a message that the government views your religion as inferior. It’s just an extension of the same colonialism that France showed to immigrants for centuries. Catholic nuns aren’t fined and harassed the way Muslim women are. These laws don’t exist in a vacuum, which is why it’s creating a backlash among minority groups.
The same rules are in place for the kippah or wearing crosses afaik - so your point is invalid
The rules are NOT enforced equally. Anyone in French schools will tell you this.
It’s a law intended to be enforced mainly against one group, which is why it’s so controversial within France. (This is not new, it’s been a complaint ever since the law was voted on in 2004, when the original regulation explicitly said small crosses could be exempt but no exception made for other religions.) It’s only gotten worse since French police fined people for not wearing masks during Covid and then fined Muslim women for covering their faces with masks.)
It’s like having a law against sleeping on park benches or under bridges and pretending that the law isn’t meant to discriminate against the poor.
Not even religion, culture. My grandma used to wear a headscarf pretty much everywhere. She was Italian and not Muslim.
Plus, if they are being forced, then either they're going to get beaten or murdered for taking it off, or they won't go to school to avoid being beaten or murdered. So it doesn't help those women either. It's purely a far right PR stunt to appeal to people who hate Muslims.
Banning religious symbols in school is one thing, but banning what people can wear is an assault on privacy. So is forcing people to wear things, directly or through religious brainwashing with imaginary "gods". Sad that it needs an "image event" to clean a river.