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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 year ago

JP is literally the stereotypical dilettante that he says is miserable in his book. It's probably why he is so familiar with the topic, it's a self help book for himself. If you have ever seen any of his live streams, the man literally keeps a dirty office.

That said, all JP has inspired is school shootings and pressuring for sex, he is no comparison to the man around whom both the 20th and 21st century revolves.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It used to be that reading the work of someone before you criticized them was considered a requirement. Now anybody can become an anti-Marxist without reading a single word he wrote.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This reminded me of his debate with Zizek. He couldn't be assed to do more than skim the Manifesto to critique Marx

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This phenomenon, I think, is due to a campaign of obfuscation and a continual attack on the meaning and substance behind these things.

These concrete terms and concepts have been reduced to vague inclinations and undefined and fundamentally nebulous and ungraspable phenomena. Instead of critiquing solid beliefs and ideas accompanied by a rigorous body of academic work, you are now critiquing and defending a “feeling”. A constant, all-encompassing and omnipresent feeling, but a feeling nonetheless. And arguments about feelings don’t have anything to do with academics. All you have to do is argue from some inherent, innate knowledge that you know you must possess because doing the reading is too much work, even as you spend hours a day posting screeds about Chinese cum machines on twitter. This is why debate has been reduced to such an uneducated joke that it can scarcely still be called debate. “Marxism” and “capitalism” - these terms have been robbed of their meaning and therefore any debate can only be devoid of intellectual vigor. How many anticommunist can name a single Marxist concept and form a coherent critique? You’d be hard pressed to find one that doesn’t just go on a meaningless tirade about 1984. This is the result of decades of American anti-intellectualism. Now we have to live in a world where the aesthetics of intellectual meaning are still there but the thing itself is dead.

Obviously, meaningful discussions occur every day. But about Marxism and in a mainstream setting? Forget about it.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Idk, I can only read the word linen so many times before it starts to not seem like a real word and the rest of my language comprehension starts to degrade from there.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Marx failed to consider this

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Meanwhile, the dweebs who follow Peterson will of course insist that you read every word he ever wrote and watch his 2700 hours of youtube content before you're allowed to express any opinion on their doctor daddy.

It's very convenient.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why one of the most influential thinkers in history should have anachronistically taken the advice of a pill popping grifter who's intellectual contribution has been to make dudes even worse. Peterson has got to be one of the laziest motherfuckers in the public sphere.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Calling Pordan Jeterson an intellectual is an insult to the concept of intellectualism.

Of course someone who tells the lowest common denominator everything they want to hear is going to be popular

"Nazism le good, pollution is cool! If you're not a malignant narcissist like normal people you're a loser!'

It would be like calling McDonald's worthy of a Michelin star because it's popular.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't call him an intellectual.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh, don't worry, I would NEVER accuse you of calling him one. But some poor souls do.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Okay, good.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My favorite way to do things is anachronisticly

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I mean, steampunk and retvrn people are about that. Being anachronistic via the future is harder than the past tho.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

His personal life and room were a mess tbh.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Karl would definitely be a hexbear user if they were around today

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Absolutely not. He would have a substack.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Lenin would have a blogspot btw. It would be one of those weird blogspots that have been maintained for decades with weekly articles and months long discussions in the comment section.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm just imagining Lenin in AOL chatrooms arguing with others

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He and Martov writing page long tracts in a years long argument on ~~a years old buffy fan forum that they're literally the only active users on.~~ gaiaonline

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

every one of these possibilities is more plausible and therefore more depressing than the last.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

He would have probably gotten banned from here after digging his heels in on some necrotic struggle session tbh

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

My man was grappling to understand with the Eldritch Abomination that is capitalism while also being an exiled scholar, I think under those circumstances it is physically impossible for ones room to be clean lmao

Also the entire time he was writing the Grundrisse he was convinced he was going to die in a imminent revolutionary uprising

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

HENRIETTA MARX: where do you think you’re going

KARL MARX: to my room

to write more poems for Jenny von Westphalen

HENRIETTA MARX: well while you’re up there

you might as well clean the room if you’re going to be doing poems in it

KARL MARX: i’ll do it LATER

HENRIETTA MARX: i left the cleaning supplies outside your door

you’ll do it now

KARL MARX: wow mom

it’s the MEANS of production

not the CRUELS of production

https://the-toast.net/2015/08/18/dirtbag-karl-marx/

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

"Hey Karl, ya heard of benzos?" - JPB

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Cleaning your room is hard. There's a part of my room where dust accumulates and I don't want to use my vacuum all the time.

Clean rooms are bourgeois.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

history is going to forget you, Jordan

history will not forget Marx unless we destroy ourselves before building what he initially envisioned

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I'm gonna take Benzo Kermit's advice

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

Why A Dead Guy needs Some Pillhead's advice.

What a stupid article.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If Mr. Marks would have listened to JBP then he wouldn't have starved over a million Ukrainians to death in the holodomor.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Stalin: my room is very cluttered with all this Ukrainian grain time to clean it up stalin-comical-spoon

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Excellent emoji use

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Nothing of note depends on the cleanliness of my room.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

JBP's gonna take this so strongly that he's gonna invent time travel just to fulfill it. Watch!

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

Dear Friedrich,

Today a strange Canadian man appeared in my apartment and started berating me in broken German about the messy state of my rooms. I drove him away with a few stout blows from a fireplace poker which I had recently retrieved from the pawn shop.

Yours,

Karl

PS: send more money I'm broke again lol

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

I thought this had to be fake, but nope. https://catalyst.independent.org/2024/04/30/karl-marx-needed-jordan-peterson/

He was lazy but greedy, always begging for money from family and friends who feared for his happiness and sanity.

lol

He was so self-centered one wonders if he was on the spectrum.

Nice ableism, fuck off.

Who are Catalyst and the Independent Institute behind it, you ask? Answer: a ”libertarian think tank” that has taken money from Koch (of course), published climate change denialism, and once ran an anti-antitrust ad in the Washington Post and New York Times that was sponsored by Microsoft.

https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/fighting-climate-chaos/climate-deniers/front-groups/independent-institute/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Institute

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

They do realize the man was exiled from his home country and under surveillance by multiple state secret police

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Have to wonder which historical figure, that either libs or conservatives fawn over, was the messiest bitch.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Marx wrote a bunch of books about how to make a communist utopia, but he didn't consider one thing: human nature

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am going to become the Joker

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