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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Dao De Jing literally opens with,

ι“ε―ι“οΌŒιžεΈΈι“γ€‚εε―εοΌŒιžεΈΈεγ€‚

"The way that can be followed is not the unchanging way; the name that can be called is not the unchanging name."

If that wasn't trans enough, one translation renders the immediately following line as, "With your mouth unopened, things left undefined, you stand at the beginning of the universe; make definitions, and you are the measure of all creation" - although this seems like a pretty deviant translation from the original text.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Here's how Le Guin's version renders these parts, just for fun:

The way you can go
isn't the real way.
The name you can say
isn't the real name

Heaven and earth
begin in the unnamed:
name's the mother
of the ten thousand things.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Google translate has a different take:

Road to Road, very Avenue. Famous, very famous

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I now understand how people thought the CPC announced a ban on femboys

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

To be fair, it's much better for modern Chinese (most of the time) but this being so old and poetic yeah it just has no idea what to do with it lol

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Google translate barely works for modern Chinese. and this is a company where half the employees have names like "Charlie Huang". Biggest Bazinga L.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

It works pretty okay at very stuffy formal stuff but it's pretty bad at informal speech, in my experience

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

Road to Road, very Avenue

I'm cancelling Laozi for being a car brain.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

lmao

道可道 the path you can take
ιžεΈΈι“ is not the usual path

道 means road/path/way
可 means can

道可道 means the path/way you can go/take

非 means not, εΈΈ by itself means normal/conventional/usual, but 非常 together means very (lit. unusual but common usage simply means β€œvery”)

the translator interpreted it as 非常 道 β€œvery road” lol when it should be 非 常道 β€œnot the normal/conventional path”

名 means name

名可名 the name you can name
非常名 is not the usual name

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

The way you can go isn't the real way. The name you can say isn't the real name

NONBINARY REP LETS GOOOO

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

The gender that can be labeled is not the unchanging expression