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I'm not sure what you find to "right-wing white supremacist" about the overall concept. Could you explain? Here's the quick and dirty definition from Wikipedia:
"A human shield is a non-combatant (or a group of non-combatants) who either volunteers or is forced to shield a legitimate military target in order to deter the enemy from attacking it."
I did notice you don't really try to argue for your position, rather just repeating the same thing again and again. Not answering straight questions or bothering to engage with the actual arguments from the other side.
It's very internet, so to say.
No on both of those. How you define human shields is beyond me. Could you define it for me, so I know where our understanding of the concept differs?
Considering that your only understanding of white supremacist propaganda comes from a wikipedia page, I'd say that's not surprising.
Do tell, apologist... do you think it's merely a coincidence that all of Israel's traditional supporters are all countries with deep histories of white supremacism, antisemitism and colonialism?
That's because I don't have to. You are the one with nothing but propaganda slogans to back up your position - not me.
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I'm not sure if you're genuinely a bit slow but "human shield" is not just a concept from Wikipedia or the only place one might learn about it, but it's just an easily approachable resource. Human shield is defined similarly by other orgs too like United Nations, International Criminal Court etc. You can search the term online have all kinds of people using the term
Here's one from Nigeria https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/03/africa/nigerian-president-kidnapped-victims-intl/index.html
Surely Muhammadu Buhari is not a white supremacist?
There's a gazillion similar articles. I can link to them if you wish.
What does this have to do with the concept of human shields..? I feel like you're again avoiding the questions and the actual topic.
I guess that's true but it does give off a bit of an either uninformed or cowardly (sorry) feeling. You don't have to argue, but it would definitely help and make the conversation better.
So for you the concept of human shield is just white supremacist propaganda?
It's a bizarre take to me. I'm not sure if you genuinely believe that. Someone holding a person at gun point to prevent someone on firing them, I don't believe you think that has anything to do with white supremacy, but you don't believe in calling that a human shield?
Which one of us is regurgitating white supremacist propaganda, Clyde? Which one?
Are you asking what the white supremacist settler-colonialist propganda you are regurgitating on here has to do with white supremacism? Is that what you are asking?
Again... which one of us is regurgitating white supremacist propaganda? Me or you?
White supremacists always seem taken aback when their white supremacism is pointed out to them... perhaps it's my fault for expecting too much from an "ubermensch" - after all, you've never lived up to your own hype, have you?
What is this "white supremacist propaganda" you're talking about?
Seriously... wtf did you think Israel is? Where did you get the idea that Israel isn't a white supremacist settler-colonialist state? Did you think that people call it an Apartheid-state for shits and giggles?
You are accusing me of spreading white supremacist propaganda because I talked about Israel? I doubt that's the reason.
For reference, this is the comment that you followed up with the accusation
No. The fact that you are spreading white supremacist propaganda is self-evident. It requires no proof on my part (since you have provided it all by yourself), and the only defense you have is to try and debunk the mountains of evidence we have that proves Israel is a white supremacist settler-colonialist state.
If that is your plan, I suggest you get going... that's going to take you a lifetime.
What was the white supremacist propaganda I was spreading?
What did you think your little "human shield" dreck was really all about, Clyde?
It has never been anything other than a paper-thin justification for a white supremacist settler-colonialist state to perpetrate mass-murder on an "other" that has been marked for genocide.
Go read the testimonies of Yugolsav and Soviet partisans from WW2 - they will inform you what the use of actual human shields looks like, because the Zionist's ideological cousins, the Nazis, loved using that trick.
Your attempt to paint Palestinian resistance to Israel as using "human shields" simply because of the obvious fact that Palestinian resistance... drumroll, please... exists amongst Palestinians is about as venally fucking white supremacist as it gets.
What does that make you, Clyde?
I think it was about a non-combatant (or a group of non-combatants) who either volunteers or is forced to shield a legitimate military target in order to deter the enemy from attacking it.
I don't think anyone is painting all of their resistance as using human shields. But using human shields is one of their tactic, yes.
I'm sorry but you keep mentioning that name. Who the fuck is Clyde..?
Even the hasbara working at the shill farms must be quite surprised that their paper-thin propaganda could work this well on someone. Their "human shield" bullcrap is something meant to be used as a pretext to feed squeamish liberals in the west - not even people in the IDF is supposed to actually believe it.
But I guess in the "liberal west" white supremacism is just the gift that keeps on giving, isn't it?
It's from the first line of this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield
Jesus H. Fucking Christ... is anything penetrating through that right-wing brain-rot addled head of yours?
It is utterly impossible to use "human shields" against a GENOCIDAL state for the oh-so-fucking obvious reason that said GENOCIDAL state is GENOCIDAL and wouldn't give a damn about (supposed) "human shields."
You might just as well tell me that a Jewish guy in Auschwitz could use another Jewish guy in Auschwitz as a hostage to stay out of the gas chambers.
Well they sure are trying.
Again.
It is utterly impossible to use "human shields" against a GENOCIDAL state for the oh-so-fucking obvious reason that said GENOCIDAL state is GENOCIDAL and wouldn't give a damn about (supposed) "human shields."
There's just a small issue. We know they have and are still using the human shields.
It might be a stupid tactic but it's not a good idea to bet against stupidity. And I don't think it's necessary that stupid. For Hamas, if the civilians give them cover then that's good and if not, it looks bad for Israel. Sorta win-win, especially since they don't really seem to care about those civilian lives.
Again.
It is utterly impossible to use "human shields" against a GENOCIDAL state for the oh-so-fucking obvious reason that said GENOCIDAL state is GENOCIDAL and wouldn't give a damn about (supposed) "human shields."
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Again (for the terminally white supremacist).
It is utterly impossible to use "human shields" against a GENOCIDAL state for the oh-so-fucking obvious reason that said GENOCIDAL state is GENOCIDAL and wouldn't give a damn about (supposed) "human shields."
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Again (for the really terminally white supremacist).
It is utterly impossible to use "human shields" against a GENOCIDAL state for the oh-so-fucking obvious reason that said GENOCIDAL state is GENOCIDAL and wouldn't give a damn about (supposed) "human shields."
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Again (for the really, really terminally white supremacist).
It is utterly impossible to use "human shields" against a GENOCIDAL state for the oh-so-fucking obvious reason that said GENOCIDAL state is GENOCIDAL and wouldn't give a damn about (supposed) "human shields."
Jokes aside, is everything alright with you? I'm asking because you've been spamming that same thing for a while now. I'm a bit concerned, is all.
...aaaaaaaaand again.
It is utterly impossible to use "human shields" against a GENOCIDAL state for the oh-so-fucking obvious reason that said GENOCIDAL state is GENOCIDAL and wouldn't give a damn about (supposed) "human shields."
I'm not sure what you're hoping to achieve with this. Just repeating your argument again and again won't make it any better or more truthful. If you just want the last word, honestly just tell me and I'll give it to you. I don't mind
...aaaaaaaaand again (for all the white supremacist apologists slithering around on here.).
It is utterly impossible to use "human shields" against a GENOCIDAL state for the oh-so-fucking obvious reason that said GENOCIDAL state is GENOCIDAL and wouldn't give a damn about (supposed) "human shields."
I think you're doing a disservice to your cause with this. It just makes it seem like there's no proper arguments and it's just about screeching until everyone tires with you. I feel a bit bad for those actually bothering to argue and engage with people, to have someone like you ruin it for them tbh.
...aaaaaaaaand again (for the white supremacist apologists who doesn't understand why they are losing the little "culture war" they themselves started).
It is utterly impossible to use "human shields" against a GENOCIDAL state for the oh-so-fucking obvious reason that said GENOCIDAL state is GENOCIDAL and wouldn't give a damn about (supposed) "human shields."
I think I've said anything there is to say. It's unfortunate we couldn't have a proper discussion but it is what it is. I'll let you have the last word.
...aaaaaaaaand again (for the white supremacist apologists who believe themselves entitled to "proper discussion" when they are clearly not worthy of it).
It is utterly impossible to use "human shields" against a GENOCIDAL state for the oh-so-fucking obvious reason that said GENOCIDAL state is GENOCIDAL and wouldn't give a damn about (supposed) "human shields."